The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"

[GunsOfBrixton29]

Originally Posted by jumjum

WTF!? Who the hell is teaching you people? Do you truly think you get any wisp of the truth from something like "A People's HistoryOf The United States" ?

There were only two countries in WW2 that made war of unprovoked aggression, and systemized rapine, looting and killing of civilians A MATTER OF NATIONAL POLICY: Germany and Japan (an argument could be made for the USSR to be included with the state-sponsored and endorsed brutalitry to civilians; and also that Japan didn 't make outright genocide an actual goal, but they did see themselves as racial "supermen"). Do you truly see no distinction in numbers of atrocities commited or innocent persons victimized? Can you truly not distinguish individual acts of atrocity from systenized programs? There is no comparison, so let;s stop with the "we're all guilty" postmodernist tripe and start thinking clearly.

A People's History of the United States is a very informative book, and besides that, everything in it is fact and is backed up by sources. Have you even read it or did DrudgeReport and Fox News tell you not to?

Was there any military objective of bombing Dresden? No. Did it achieve anything militarily? No.

I'm not saying we're worst than the Nazis or the Japanese. Is anyone? But to say we're not guilty at all is pure ignorance.

[Red Menace]

I suppose Nationalist China is out of the question too.

[Anlushac11]

Originally Posted by Dios

Oops, sorry, bad wording there, specially about Russia and Poland yeah, what I meant was that no side was nothing but goodness and disinterested actions.

Anyways, I won't take back the word atrocities from Hiroshima and Nagasaki nor Dresden, and I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't see why burning 100,000 persons to cinders in one second and making 100,000 more die irradiated, or bombing defenseless citizens as atrocities, then what would it take to use that word, soldiers eating raped babies sacrificed to Satan?

Oh STFU.

I am tired of having this argument with twits like you who dont bother to look up historical facts.

[jumjum]

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Oh STFU. I am tired of having this argument with twits like you who dont bother to look up historical facts.

You da man, A-11.

[jumjum]

Originally Posted by GunsOfBrixton29

A People's History of the United States is a very informative book, and besides that, everything in it is fact and is backed up by sources...

Oh, yeah, "sources". That sure makes me trust the hate-filled propaganda of a lifelong Marxist who has openly admitted his disdain for America, and said that Stalin and Mao were great, enlightened leaders, if you overlook the 30 million or so people they executed. Bud, Hitler had "sources" for his claims in Mein Kampf. But I don't suppose they quibble with that arouind San Francisco anymore.

[Dios]

Oh for fucks sake guys, I'm not saying the Allies were some sort of monsters, nor say they were even a hundred miles close to the kind of thing the Axis forces did. Do you think I don't know all the shit the Nazis and the Japanese did and how badly they needed to be stopped? I'm quite aware that the germans bombed civilian targets first, not only before the RAF pilots were risking their asses just to drop some miserable leaflets over the invaded countries, but also before WWII in Guernica. And I know they were trying to develop the atomic bomb before the allies did, but does that make using the same methods right, just because you're using them against those who used them first? Do you hear me criticizing the bombings of ploiesti, or the Ruhr dams? There were civilians working in the german factories, but I'm not complaining about them, there was a damn reason behind those bombings. The allied bombers also killed a lot of french and belgian civilians, but did I mentioned that? NO, that was just bad organization, accidents, we can't blame them for missing a railroad or a bridge and hitting a church instead, not under the conditions they had to bomb their targets, I mean, they even hitted other bombers flying underneath them sometimes, so that's reasonable. But when you bomb a city and kill as many or even more women and children than the number of soldiers you would have lost trying to capture it, then it seems like an unfair trade to me. If you don't agree, well ok, we can discuss things or just ignore each other if that makes you happy, but don't say I'm talking bullshit just because you disagree, the facts are there, and the only argument possible is if they were justified or not, if more people would have been killed in an invasion of Japan than with the bombs, or if Japan wouldn't have still surrendered if the bombs had been dropped over military targets instead of cities, are just "What Ifs", so all we can do is take assumptions about it.

And you Anlushac, if a mod gives me a STFU and calls me a twit, how am I supposed to reply? I didn't insulted anyone nor said anything that isn't true, Nukes, dropped either by the the US, the Nazis, or by fricking god himself, are an atrocity, a whole city crisped in a second, thousands more dieing afterwards due to the radiation, etc. Perhaps it was the only way to go, but still only terror tactics.

[oscar989]

well what would have happened if the axis won the war? tried our leaders for spreading capitalism? tried allied troops for incidents like killing axis POWs? japanese tried american soldiers for the things they did to the japanese in the pacific? we can never know and i think that this topic is too contriversial and should be closed.

[GunsOfBrixton29]

Originally Posted by jumjum

Oh, yeah, "sources". That sure makes me trust the hate-filled propaganda of a lifelong Marxist who has openly admitted his disdain for America, and said that Stalin and Mao were great, enlightened leaders, if you overlook the 30 million or so people they executed. Bud, Hitler had "sources" for his claims in Mein Kampf. But I don't suppose they quibble with that arouind San Francisco anymore.

Have you read the book? The book is not about communism, it only offers a different perspective of America. Can you back up the claims made that Howard Zinn has said that Stalin and Mao were great?

[Oldschool]

One of these days the Chinese are going to get back at us poor Japs, probably invade our tiny little island and exterminate us all like we did to them, all because of our stupid goverment (aka The Yakuza) and probably 1/4 of the populus didn't want to admit that we did something wrong.

[Afterburner]

There was an IMMENSE reason for dropping the Nukes on Japan.

The casualties for an invasion of Japan was estimated in the MILLIONS for America alone. Thats not countring the hundered of thosands of Japanese who would have either fought to the death or have been force to commit suicide.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs then there would have been atleast twice the casualties of Americans for the entire war.

As for this game all I have to say is LOL

The really funny part is it might acually have good gameplay for all we know