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Dr.Fritz July 28th, 2005 09:44 AM

Space Shuttles Grounded
 
NASA grounded the space shuttles again after a 33 inch piece of foam from the main fuel tank fell off. Discovery's mission is going fine but the next launch scheduled in September with Atlantis wont happen unfortunatley.

AzH July 29th, 2005 05:18 AM

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What do you expect? The entire program is based on the Capitalist ideology of cheapest bidder wins the contract. If you pay for shit, you get shit. They got shit.

LIGHTNING [NL] July 29th, 2005 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Fritz
NASA grounded the space shuttles again after a 33 inch piece of foam from the main fuel tank fell off. Discovery's mission is going fine but the next launch scheduled in September with Atlantis wont happen unfortunatley.

A piece of the heatshield of the orbiter has broken off. There's a change it's going to do the same thing as the Colombia on re-entry.

Big Lebowski July 29th, 2005 07:01 AM

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heh.. it also hit a bird on the way up

Civius July 29th, 2005 07:22 AM

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They can fly to the Moon and back; send robots to Mars. But they can't build an insulator. Weird.

Yossarian July 29th, 2005 10:01 AM

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If Discovery does the same thing as Colombia, we can all kiss American space travel goodbye for another 10 years.

Sgt. Krotchrot July 29th, 2005 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PlayerOne
What do you expect? The entire program is based on the Capitalist ideology of cheapest bidder wins the contract. If you pay for shit, you get shit. They got shit.

Better than the old communist motto. "You pretend to pay us, we'll pretend to work".

Anlushac11 July 29th, 2005 11:05 AM

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The difference this time is a tile is chipped, Columbia had a hole in the wing and missing tiles. According to NASA the shuttles have come back before with no problems with this level of damage.

But yes I agree why cant they build decent insulation. If its peeling off on takeoff why not put aluminum straps around the tank and insulation to hold it on? Or wrap it in a thin but strong nylon or wire mesh?

|HV|MacGyver July 30th, 2005 02:08 AM

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Well it's a another blow to the ISS, original stuff has already been discarded and they're way behind schedule, with both japanese and european stuff missing :(

Of course human safety is the first priority but it's sad to see all that money go to waste (they're more maintaining the station than doing science)

Anlushac11 July 30th, 2005 07:17 AM

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Since the US is having all these problems with the Shuttles I dont see why they dont follow the Russian example of using rockets and robotic cargo ships to deliver parts and supplies. Seems something like a solid rocket and a 2 man capsule could be used to ferry people up and back.

Heck for that matter they could swallow thier pride and pay the Russians to ferry stuff up, their rockets seem to be working fine.

FileTrekker July 30th, 2005 07:23 AM

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Is it me or am i not alone in thinking NASA are turining into one big clown show?...

[21Pz]Stauffenberg July 30th, 2005 10:40 AM

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it is not only you...

AzH July 30th, 2005 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Krotchrot
Better than the old communist motto. "You pretend to pay us, we'll pretend to work".

...and your point would be?

Sgt. Krotchrot July 30th, 2005 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PlayerOne
...and your point would be?

How many working shuttles did the non-capitalist countries on this planet ever build? Lowest bidder still has to fulfill all the specifications for the bid. Not saying capitalism is without flaws, but capitalist societies have definitely been a major force in space exploration. After all it’s been capitalist investors who’ve kept the Russian’s space programs alive since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Tiles falling off the shuttle is bad, and it needs to be fixed. But let’s not cure the headache by cutting off the head.

AzH July 31st, 2005 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Krotchrot
How many working shuttles did the non-capitalist countries on this planet ever build? Lowest bidder still has to fulfill all the specifications for the bid. Not saying capitalism is without flaws, but capitalist societies have definitely been a major force in space exploration. After all it’s been capitalist investors who’ve kept the Russian’s space programs alive since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Tiles falling off the shuttle is bad, and it needs to be fixed. But let’s not cure the headache by cutting off the head.

Perhaps if we were discussing the Space Programs of other nations your point would be valid, but since the title of this thread clearly states Space Shuttles Grounded, your point (if you could call it that) is moot.

Sgt. Krotchrot August 2nd, 2005 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PlayerOne
Perhaps if we were discussing the Space Programs of other nations your point would be valid, but since the title of this thread clearly states Space Shuttles Grounded, your point (if you could call it that) is moot.

Moot? I was responding to your claim that the shuttle is a piece of shit because it was built by capitalist. Using the comparison method, but whatever. For your information though the shuttle is one of the finest pieces of aerospace engineering there is IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Anlushac11
Since the US is having all these problems with the Shuttles I dont see why they dont follow the Russian example of using rockets and robotic cargo ships to deliver parts and supplies. Seems something like a solid rocket and a 2 man capsule could be used to ferry people up and back.

Heck for that matter they could swallow thier pride and pay the Russians to ferry stuff up, their rockets seem to be working fine.

Did you see the program on MSN the other night. Former director of NASA was asked the same question. His reply in a nut shell was "For the same reason we sent people to the moon when we could have had machines do it." So it seems pride was the correct answer.


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