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PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz 2 Attachment(s) Awesome pics |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz well....atleast there not bunny hopping |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz 1 word: FAKE |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz How is that fake ? |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Photoshopped! Why would we use 60 year old SMGs when we equip ourselves with MP-5s? Dumbass edit whore. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz They photoshopped PPSh41s over M16s or M4s. The Army doesn't use PPShs, especially when we could use our own firearms. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Damn good photoshop then. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Too bad, a ppsh could be very handy in that kind of environment. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Thats not photoshop. If you think about how much one of those camoflauge uniforms cost; and how the US Marines are teaching their recruits how to use foreign weapons. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Maybe they picked it up off a dead enemy or something..... |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Blame it all on Photoshop. That's what they all do ;) |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Caption: FALLUJAH, IRAQ - NOVEMBER 23: Stepping back into the battlefield, U.S. Marines of the Light Armored Reconnaissance (LAR) company of 1st Battalion 3rd Marines, clear houses at the site where four insurgents staged a bloody counter-attack, killing one American and wounding many others November 23, 2004 in Fallujah, Iraq. U.S. commanders are trying to quell the insurgency in Iraq. (Photo by Scott Peterson/Getty Images) thats the caption from one of the pics. http://editorial.gettyimages.com/sou...gesSearchState pics are at bottom |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz :rofl:Thats great. If it is real they captured it from the Iraqis, who bought all kinds of weapons from russia. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz That would make sense. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz 1 Attachment(s) Americans with an SVD the ppsh 41 could have also been captured in the Iran-Iraq war since Iran did use and produce them during that conflict. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Even I could Photoshop that in, and I suck! Yet again, why would we use PPSh41s when we have access to M4s and MP5s? Or use Dragnovs when M21s or M25s could be used? Besides, how common do you think 7.62x25 Tokarev is? |
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I would imagine most ex Soviet rounds save for 5.45 are easily attainable in Iraq. They use them because not only because they are effective but because some weapons will not always be available to standard troops. I have yet to see one marine using an MP5 in Fallaujah (although i have seen one using a captured MP5 from a weapon stockpile). shotguns appear to be more common and i would rather use a ppsh 41 than a shotgun if iam going to do some room clearing. A ppsh 41 would be very effective for room clearing and it's round would easily defeat insurgents which occasionally wear captured flak jackets. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz No, dude, that is just wrong... Look at all the M4s and flatty M16s with scopes you are seeing now! Once uncommon weapons are common once more. The PPSh would suck at room clearing because it is so friggin big. It is the size of a carbine, and not an M4. Also, the little 7,62 Tokarev would suck at penetrating the cermaic plates worn by US soldiers. They are designed to stop everything up to AK rounds at medium range. |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz All of them. The only places that could be penetrated by a pistol round (easily stopped by Kevlar, FYI) would be the shoulder or the flank by the outside of rib cage. |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Oh. Well, either way... Kevlar stops all conventional pistol caliber ammo, including .308 Tokarev. |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Give me the penetration tables of level II Kevlar and then I shall believe you. Range is an issue too... |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz No way, think about it. Even the terrorists use ak47's or better, because there are shitloads of ak47's to go around. That smg is way too old to be used, especially by the US who have far superior weapons. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz It's real, they use it because it sounds Iraqi. In vietnam the forward scouts for the US used AKs. Why? Because everyone thought they were their allies. There's a reason the monkey man on that entry team has it too, because it's him who shoots first. If it's needed, his back up will help him out. I certainly know if I was in an army equipped with PPSHes and Dragunovs I would think far less of one of them being fired than an M4. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz True true... But then why is a PPSh toting Marine accompined by one with an M16? |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz You can die even if the bullet won't penetrate the kevlar too. Lots of people die from AK bullets that don't even enter their bodies. That's why the Russians developed the 5.54 round though, it has better penetration. Horses for Courses. 7.62 is better under 400 or so meters because it's close enough to do it's dirty work. Medium ranges are good for rounds like 5.56 and 5.54 because they can penetrate and have a very flat trajectory. However This can be bad at very long ranges, since the flat trajectory means you can't lob your rounds at all. That's what the flip up sights are for, lobbing rounds over longer distances. However this is VERY difficult with a flat trajectory since the bullet flies like this-----------------.. closer to eight MM like 7.62 has a greater ark, plus you don't have to worry about environment affecting your round. Wind over long distances can put off a 5.54 or .56 round, but usually not a 7.62. Plus if you're going to be firing through bushes or something then 7.62 won't be affected like a 5.54. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz He's accompanied by the one with the M-16 incase the Iraqis find out their little game. Then the Marine is gunna want someone to back him up. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz That looks pretty real to me, with the reflections, shades and all that. Maybe he thought it would be good against Iraqi resistance fighters with very little protection against any kind of armament? Could it be more reliable too? Don't know. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz It's reliable, but heavy, I already listed the Reason why. Seals usually use Aks, Spetsnaz against americans would use M-16s. Mossad would use AKs against it's enemies. You don't want to draw attention where it's not wanted. |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Personaly. I would use the PPSh.. just because that is awesome. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz "Special Forces" is taken really out of context. Special forces RARELY are used like in the movies. Usually they sort things out with the locals, organizing them and trying to cause local resistance. Special forces are just that, "Specialized Forces". There are even special forces who's special ops is to help make sure the locals know how to farm, so they can feed their resistance. He is clearing a building, and in combat like that it's always good to be flexible and let the head guy...number one clear. Usually squad is set up like this for clearing. 1= Monkey Man. He usually has a pistol for police or SMG for the army. Israeli ones have Assault rifles usually. 2=Monkey Man, simmilar to number one, but can also be demolitions, electrics. (i'm not talking rainbow six, but he carries the gear.) He often also carries a shot gun for police. 3=1's back up. Usually has Shot gun for police or assault rifle for army. His job is to keep number one alive. 4= 2's cover man, gotta keep two alive. 5,6,7,8 are usually extra people that do extra job. Spotter, external communication. Every squad works differant but this is a common set up. Monkey men are usually little and need to be able to handle pretty much anything. If a sniper is involved he is usually number 3 or 5, but this is rare. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz So what if someone wears Kevlar? Just spray in the general area of the head,900 rpm in cqb must be like a swarm of very big buckshot. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz no getty doesnt photoshop pics ppsh41 would be pretty effective in room clearing 900rpm rather then the m16 burst mp5's and m4's are issued to sf not the basic marine infantrymen you can see marines with other captured weapons also like ak47's you just dont leave weapons lying around for the insurgents just to pick up and you also have a back up weapon |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz I disagree..PPSH wouldn't be used for room clearing or the americans would have copied it. I think the reason I stated before was probably correct. Usually dumped enemy weapons are left, because it's too dangerous to go get them. Another alternative is to shoot them. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz The guys is from a light armored recon company so if he was riding in a vehicle it is possible that the soldier was only issued a pistol and decided to use the ppsh 41 feeling that the protection provided by his pistol was inadequate. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz To me, It looks like he took the weapon from a dead or capitive insurgent and is using it either for himself to conserve ammo or just securing the weapon. |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Or maybe he just understood the coolness factor of the weapon? I mean, using over 60-year old, communist made weapon, as an American in foreign country? Not only that, it looks hella lot better than the American made weapons.. rugged and raw, equipped with badass looking drum mag :) |
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How can you guys believe thats real. Its pathetic. I could photoshop a marine with a civil war rifle, and all of you will think thats real. Proof that its faked can be found in the pictures. Theres only one source of light on the ppsh while theres 2 sources in the backround. |
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Grenade fragments might pierce the wall. Why would getty images photoshop a pic? |
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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Im betting its not Photoshopped and Im betting its not a PPSH but a Chinese copy called a Type 50 SMG which is still used in China, North Korea, and Vietnam. And for city fighting I think a PPSH would be just fine. Still kills people as well as it did in WW2 and lots of firepower and ammo in a small package. |
Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz Except it's heavy and stupid! They are outdated, that's like saying it was ok to use the WWI tank in WWII. He used it so when he fired the Iraqis would hear a PPSH and go, ooh, our boys. That is a trick you do ALL the time. In the army you are NOT allowed to pick up enemies weapons and use them because it's heavy, slows you down, you're not allowed to drop your own, and most importantly they were dropped, that puts them at serious risk of being jammed. The number one cause for a weapon Jam is not sand or anything, but a bent mag. Dropping your weapon is a good way to do this. |
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In Iraq many units (supply troops in particular) allow their soldiers to use captured weapons if they show a level of profeciency. |
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