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Braun November 25th, 2004 07:28 PM

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hmm if i hadan mp40 and iwas running through stalingrad and saw and ppsh lying around getting shot at or not id pick it up...

[CoUk]niu November 25th, 2004 09:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Comrade0Red
Remember in real life combat takes place at often over 500m.

Not in a bloody city,which is the case here,should you have missed that little fact.
And btw,the fire selector on the AK has three settings:safe,full auto,semi auto.
Yes,the first setting after safe is full auto,because this is a miniature machine gun more than a rifle.

Comrade0Red November 25th, 2004 09:13 PM

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Why don't you ask the army people? Or the police, or anyone else you know. You don't fucking spray bullets in the middle of a city. That's BAD practice. You're liable to hurt one of your buddies.

Artie Bucco November 25th, 2004 09:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Comrade0Red
Why don't you ask the army people? Or the police, or anyone else you know. You don't fucking spray bullets in the middle of a city. That's BAD practice. You're liable to hurt one of your buddies.


The enemy makes it their bussiness not to be seen so if your taking fire from a building are you telling me that the guys as a squad,platoon etc should not fire en masse into the garrisoned building?

axkgkadragon November 25th, 2004 09:44 PM

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sorry i didnt read all of the posts quiet yet but from what it seems is that everyone is based there theories on one direction, well what about this? Maybe the guys gun got hit by a grenade or mortar round (asuming he maybe leaned it up against a wall while doing something) or maybe while he was taking aim some guy took some pot shots at him and hit his gun? Now i seriously doubt that anyone will be carrying an extra rifle with them, so they probably took a gun from the nearest corpse they could find for him to use. And so then they just continued with the mission

Anlushac11 November 25th, 2004 10:37 PM

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Yes you do spray bullets in the direction of the enemy, its called supressing fire to keep their heads down while your guys move into position to flank or attack

The Warlock November 26th, 2004 08:52 AM

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He was probably just recovering it from an insurgent or something so that his buddies didn't get to keep it.

NoCoolOnesLeft November 27th, 2004 04:03 AM

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To me, these pics look real. I cant understand why anyone would want to alter that picture, if it's a fake, then it's a very good one.

First off, many US and Coalition soldiers swapped their weapons for their enemies in a load of different conflicts, either because their original firearm was out of ammo, jammed or damaged. They swapped M16 for AK47's in Vietnam, even though there was a risk of friendly fire because of the sound and silouette, they were prepared to take the chance because at least it didnt jam every five seconds like the M16.

Secondly, he's still holding his M16 on his back. If it is fake, then why would he not be holding a weapon whilst clearing a room? or what weapon would he be using instead? an M9 maybe? I wouldnt think so...he's not holding it right and I dont think his group would use M4's etc. If you still think it's fake, then the M16 on his back could be altered, check it's shadow too.

Thirdly, as stated, he's probably using it to trick the opposing force, the PPSH had a very distinctive sound, although it's old it's very reliable. Heavy, yes, but I'd prefer it to an M16 any day when it comes to clearing a room.

Lastly, it may not be a PPSH that we all know, but a chinese variation called the Type 50 (I think, correct me if I'm wrong there) that was suggested before. Which, is still a very common and reliable weapon to this day. These marines know their stuff, I think he's made the right choice picking it up for the tasks ahead.

In a war, you use whatever you have accessable to get the job done. There's a room there, and an SMG with a rate of 900rpm lying on the floor undamaged, time to shoulder that M16 methinks.

Von Mudra November 28th, 2004 10:01 PM

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Ok, you all want to know why our guys are using ppshs and AKs? Because they are better then ours. Simple as can be. THe PKM is, at aberdeen proving ground, found to be much better then the saw, the AK better the the M4, and the ppsh would rule in an urban environment. Remember, just because we are a super power doesn't mean we have the best small arms. History channel recently rated the Russkies as having the best small arms at the moment.

Comrade0Red November 28th, 2004 11:01 PM

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American soldiers aren't just allowed to pick up whatever they chose Von Mudra. Then they'd have a really hard army to supply with tons of weird ass weapons. A ppsh can kiss my ass, if they WANTED to clear a room with a russian weapon for some stupid reason they'd use a purchased Bizon these days. PPSH is old! It is there so the Iraqis hear a PPSH and go. "That's one of our boys, don't shoot in that direction!"

And as for you Anlushac, you don't spray bullets while running around. If you're in combat stance you get your machine gunner to spray supressive fire. That's why the M-16 family didn't have for a long time full auto, rifles are not used for full auto. Even submachine guns indoors it is rare to see it put on. Why? Because it's hard to control, you don't hit shit, and you can most the time fire fast enough on semi. Two rounds is the prefered method for firing a submachine gun on semi.

Here a list of reasons why the AK has full auto.
1. It is a relic from WWII when full auto fire wasn't that uncommon.
2. The AK is considered by many a machine gun more than a rifle, and by many a rifle more a machine gun.
3. It is also designed to be able to be used by civillians to defend their land. (Think what the terrorists or whatever you want to call them are doing) who know shit nothing about shooting, so spraying around is the only luck they have.
4. A bipod can be placed on it to convert it into the squad machine gun in a pinch. Drum magazines are helpful.

3 and 4 are the reason that full auto is appearing in alot of modern weapons. It's not so you can run from building to building spraying at eachother. And it most certainly is not something you want going off if you're going to be retreating.


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