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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:06 PM

All of them. The only places that could be penetrated by a pistol round (easily stopped by Kevlar, FYI) would be the shoulder or the flank by the outside of rib cage.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:08 PM

Like a regular soldier could decide for himself what weapon he would like carry...

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:09 PM

I was talking about vests that were most likely looted from police stations or ING bases not American ones.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:12 PM

Oh. Well, either way...
Kevlar stops all conventional pistol caliber ammo, including .308 Tokarev.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:15 PM

depends on which level of kevlar IIRC 7.62 tt defeats level II kevlar

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:19 PM

Give me the penetration tables of level II Kevlar and then I shall believe you.

Range is an issue too...

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:20 PM

No way, think about it. Even the terrorists use ak47's or better, because there are shitloads of ak47's to go around. That smg is way too old to be used, especially by the US who have far superior weapons.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:20 PM

It's real, they use it because it sounds Iraqi. In vietnam the forward scouts for the US used AKs. Why? Because everyone thought they were their allies. There's a reason the monkey man on that entry team has it too, because it's him who shoots first. If it's needed, his back up will help him out. I certainly know if I was in an army equipped with PPSHes and Dragunovs I would think far less of one of them being fired than an M4.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:25 PM

True true...

But then why is a PPSh toting Marine accompined by one with an M16?

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:27 PM

You can die even if the bullet won't penetrate the kevlar too. Lots of people die from AK bullets that don't even enter their bodies. That's why the Russians developed the 5.54 round though, it has better penetration. Horses for Courses. 7.62 is better under 400 or so meters because it's close enough to do it's dirty work. Medium ranges are good for rounds like 5.56 and 5.54 because they can penetrate and have a very flat trajectory. However This can be bad at very long ranges, since the flat trajectory means you can't lob your rounds at all. That's what the flip up sights are for, lobbing rounds over longer distances. However this is VERY difficult with a flat trajectory since the bullet flies like this-----------------..
closer to eight MM like 7.62 has a greater ark, plus you don't have to worry about environment affecting your round. Wind over long distances can put off a 5.54 or .56 round, but usually not a 7.62. Plus if you're going to be firing through bushes or something then 7.62 won't be affected like a 5.54.