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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 12:46 PM

Blame it all on Photoshop. That's what they all do

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 12:53 PM

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...raqi+commandos

thats were i got the pics from

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 12:57 PM

Caption:
FALLUJAH, IRAQ - NOVEMBER 23: Stepping back into the battlefield, U.S. Marines of the Light Armored Reconnaissance (LAR) company of 1st Battalion 3rd Marines, clear houses at the site where four insurgents staged a bloody counter-attack, killing one American and wounding many others November 23, 2004 in Fallujah, Iraq. U.S. commanders are trying to quell the insurgency in Iraq. (Photo by Scott Peterson/Getty Images)

thats the caption from one of the pics.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/sou...gesSearchState

pics are at bottom

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 01:01 PM

Thats great. If it is real they captured it from the Iraqis, who bought all kinds of weapons from russia.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 01:06 PM

That would make sense.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 01:14 PM

Americans with an SVD

the ppsh 41 could have also been captured in the Iran-Iraq war since Iran did use and produce them during that conflict.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 01:50 PM

Even I could Photoshop that in, and I suck!

Yet again, why would we use PPSh41s when we have access to M4s and MP5s? Or use Dragnovs when M21s or M25s could be used?

Besides, how common do you think 7.62x25 Tokarev is?

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 01:55 PM

I would imagine most ex Soviet rounds save for 5.45 are easily attainable in Iraq.

They use them because not only because they are effective but because some weapons will not always be available to standard troops. I have yet to see one marine using an MP5 in Fallaujah (although i have seen one using a captured MP5 from a weapon stockpile). shotguns appear to be more common and i would rather use a ppsh 41 than a shotgun if iam going to do some room clearing.

A ppsh 41 would be very effective for room clearing and it's round would easily defeat insurgents which occasionally wear captured flak jackets.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:02 PM

No, dude, that is just wrong...

Look at all the M4s and flatty M16s with scopes you are seeing now! Once uncommon weapons are common once more.

The PPSh would suck at room clearing because it is so friggin big. It is the size of a carbine, and not an M4.

Also, the little 7,62 Tokarev would suck at penetrating the cermaic plates worn by US soldiers. They are designed to stop everything up to AK rounds at medium range.

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Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz

November 24th, 2004 02:04 PM

ceramic plates but not certain points in the flak vests and i doubt many of the captured vests have ceramic plates.