Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

still u think the insurgants are wearing kevlar we talkin mostly civilians with AK's or anygun they got lying around look at the lighting on the gun its either real OR A very good fake, ne way room to room ur sayin a 900RPM gun with a 71Rnd clip would be bad, sure its big but its a bullet hoose,maybe he picked it up wasted the clip and droped it ever think of that one

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Number one reason for a M16 to jams because t is a POS that shits where it eats. The blowback system contaminates the rifle even in a pristine enviroment. Wasnt the PPSH well known for rugged durability? M16 does not have the same reputation.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

yes

http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi...479637_jpg.jpg

http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi...106381_jpg.jpg

http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi...sist25_jpg.jpg

http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi...851029_jpg.jpg

Pics are from an islamic militant site that i came across on militaryphots.net forums so don't bother pointing that out I don't share the same views as them.

My point is that their is a possibility some insurgents might be wearing kevlar.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

You can't see the inside of a gun without x-ray vision. So you can't pick them up. Where do you get this information from? You think the Army is fond of it's people dumping their own weapons left and right?
And despite the stupid spring operated blowback system of the m-16 it still is better than a PPSH. And that's coming from ME! Remember how much I hate to say anything Russia did is bad. Aks own m-16s!

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

The army is not fond of having their troops pick up other weapons but they understand that weapons like AK 47s and ppsh 41s make much better self defence weapons than an M9 berettas which are issued to armed vehicle crewman and truck drivers Captured weapons will have to be used PDWs until more M4s are issued.

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/special...-6862352c.html

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

That's confinscated. They may pick them up off the guys, but they send them back into base before they're issued them.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

explain to me the diffrence between captured and confiscated?

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

the marines didnt drop there own weapons when they picked up other weapons
as you can see the marine with the ppsh41 still has his m16 on his back

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

I have to say that article is full of shit, firing on full auto? Pfft, unlikely.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

OMG an AK firing on full auto? That can't happen?

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

They don't do it in real life. That was a little feature that's hung around since WWII. It's EXTREMELY rare to fire on full auto, and generally only idiots do it. Good for holywood effects though.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

If its rare to fire them on full auto whats the point of a machine gun?

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

you guys must be thinking of the vietnam era M16, THAT was a real POS gun, fully automatic, but only 20 round magazines? however modern day M16s are far more reliable and do not fire full auto, but semi and burst

on topic: i think he mustve picked up a PPsH for many reasons
1. better personall defence weapon
2. souveneir
3. automatic weapon
4. to confuse opFor (sounds like their guns)
5. M16 ran out of bullets


has anyone else noticed the high rise of interest in PPsHs lately?

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

ive always had intrest in the PPSh.. mostly because it owns. Id fear it. wouldent you? the only thing that would scare me more is a MG-42 being pointed at me.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Fully automatics are for machine guns, not rifles artie. He did it to confuse the opfor.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Fact of the matter Assualt Rifles are fired on full auto for extended bursts of 5-8 rounds.

Maybe the guy picked up the ppsh 41 because he wouldn't to show it off to Red Orchestra fans. Or he could have seen it as a legitmatly effective weapon in close quarters and decided to pick it up.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

if i had a choice, id go into battle with binoculars and a radio, then i could have a couple hundred pounds of explosive falling on a target instead of a few KG of lead ;)

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Fact of the matter ARTIE! Is that assault rifles loose all ACCURACY after 5-8 bursts. After your third round your barrel climbs! This isn't Rambo where you can just lay down an ocean of lead and still hit your target.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Why would he be a n00b? He obviously made the right choice ;).

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

You forget the fact that their are hundreds of videos of people firing assualt rifles full auto maybe not accuratly but your statement made it seem like they cannot be fired on full auto.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Oh they can be fired full auto, but that's just to make 'em look cool at the target range. Firing full auto is if you're gunna be over run by spear chuckers in real combat.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

PPSH owns all you noobs with crappy M-16's, MP-5 and all that shit

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

LMAO at the thread title......

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

heh, someone should make a mod where it pits WWII weapons VS new ones. PPSH would own all in close combat.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Or to lay down covering/blocking fire,while advancing or retreating.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

sure it's real.. you can see he has his own weapon down the side and he probely just pick't it up from a weapons stahs or something, simply be course he thinks it's cool and it's probely fun to shot with a different weapon then the same old m16..

I know i would..

AKM
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51...57C85AE85A779B

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51...57C85AE85A779B

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51...57C85AE85A779B

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51...57C85AE85A779B

they probely see it like a trophy to have captured a enemy weapon or eles it's just fun to shoot with a new weapon... or both.. :)

Edit:
HAHA.. now thats cool!
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/mini/1085650.jpg

Edit2:
ohh.. it isent an american it's a iraqy spacial force..

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

I doubt that they would carry some extra five kilos just for fun...

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

More likely just to have one gun that works when needed.
That way you can have the accuracy of the m16, and the reliability and penetrating performance of the ak at the same time.(Almost).

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

FH / Desert Combat cooperation :eek:


And of course a PPsh is a trophy! I'd take it right away if I was a soldier.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

It's still hard to grab a weapon in the heat of battle. Usually all weapon collection is done after battle. Besides, I wouldn't use a trophy weapon to shoot with. It's just to confuse the OpFor. And no Niu you don't fire full auto on retreat. Remember in real life combat takes place at often over 500m.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

hmm if i hadan mp40 and iwas running through stalingrad and saw and ppsh lying around getting shot at or not id pick it up...

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Not in a bloody city,which is the case here,should you have missed that little fact.
And btw,the fire selector on the AK has three settings:safe,full auto,semi auto.
Yes,the first setting after safe is full auto,because this is a miniature machine gun more than a rifle.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Why don't you ask the army people? Or the police, or anyone else you know. You don't fucking spray bullets in the middle of a city. That's BAD practice. You're liable to hurt one of your buddies.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

The enemy makes it their bussiness not to be seen so if your taking fire from a building are you telling me that the guys as a squad,platoon etc should not fire en masse into the garrisoned building?

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

sorry i didnt read all of the posts quiet yet but from what it seems is that everyone is based there theories on one direction, well what about this? Maybe the guys gun got hit by a grenade or mortar round (asuming he maybe leaned it up against a wall while doing something) or maybe while he was taking aim some guy took some pot shots at him and hit his gun? Now i seriously doubt that anyone will be carrying an extra rifle with them, so they probably took a gun from the nearest corpse they could find for him to use. And so then they just continued with the mission

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Yes you do spray bullets in the direction of the enemy, its called supressing fire to keep their heads down while your guys move into position to flank or attack

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

He was probably just recovering it from an insurgent or something so that his buddies didn't get to keep it.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

To me, these pics look real. I cant understand why anyone would want to alter that picture, if it's a fake, then it's a very good one.

First off, many US and Coalition soldiers swapped their weapons for their enemies in a load of different conflicts, either because their original firearm was out of ammo, jammed or damaged. They swapped M16 for AK47's in Vietnam, even though there was a risk of friendly fire because of the sound and silouette, they were prepared to take the chance because at least it didnt jam every five seconds like the M16.

Secondly, he's still holding his M16 on his back. If it is fake, then why would he not be holding a weapon whilst clearing a room? or what weapon would he be using instead? an M9 maybe? I wouldnt think so...he's not holding it right and I dont think his group would use M4's etc. If you still think it's fake, then the M16 on his back could be altered, check it's shadow too.

Thirdly, as stated, he's probably using it to trick the opposing force, the PPSH had a very distinctive sound, although it's old it's very reliable. Heavy, yes, but I'd prefer it to an M16 any day when it comes to clearing a room.

Lastly, it may not be a PPSH that we all know, but a chinese variation called the Type 50 (I think, correct me if I'm wrong there) that was suggested before. Which, is still a very common and reliable weapon to this day. These marines know their stuff, I think he's made the right choice picking it up for the tasks ahead.

In a war, you use whatever you have accessable to get the job done. There's a room there, and an SMG with a rate of 900rpm lying on the floor undamaged, time to shoulder that M16 methinks.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Ok, you all want to know why our guys are using ppshs and AKs? Because they are better then ours. Simple as can be. THe PKM is, at aberdeen proving ground, found to be much better then the saw, the AK better the the M4, and the ppsh would rule in an urban environment. Remember, just because we are a super power doesn't mean we have the best small arms. History channel recently rated the Russkies as having the best small arms at the moment.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

American soldiers aren't just allowed to pick up whatever they chose Von Mudra. Then they'd have a really hard army to supply with tons of weird ass weapons. A ppsh can kiss my ass, if they WANTED to clear a room with a russian weapon for some stupid reason they'd use a purchased Bizon these days. PPSH is old! It is there so the Iraqis hear a PPSH and go. "That's one of our boys, don't shoot in that direction!"

And as for you Anlushac, you don't spray bullets while running around. If you're in combat stance you get your machine gunner to spray supressive fire. That's why the M-16 family didn't have for a long time full auto, rifles are not used for full auto. Even submachine guns indoors it is rare to see it put on. Why? Because it's hard to control, you don't hit shit, and you can most the time fire fast enough on semi. Two rounds is the prefered method for firing a submachine gun on semi.

Here a list of reasons why the AK has full auto.
1. It is a relic from WWII when full auto fire wasn't that uncommon.
2. The AK is considered by many a machine gun more than a rifle, and by many a rifle more a machine gun.
3. It is also designed to be able to be used by civillians to defend their land. (Think what the terrorists or whatever you want to call them are doing) who know shit nothing about shooting, so spraying around is the only luck they have.
4. A bipod can be placed on it to convert it into the squad machine gun in a pinch. Drum magazines are helpful.

3 and 4 are the reason that full auto is appearing in alot of modern weapons. It's not so you can run from building to building spraying at eachother. And it most certainly is not something you want going off if you're going to be retreating.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

um, comrade, you are missing my point. It is that our soldier find Russian weapons to be better, so, along with thier weapons, they rbing along russkies weapons whenever they can. We don't need to supply ammo for it, the pick it up off the dead after a battle. I have seen numerous pics and vids on Fox and CNN where half the soldiers are using AKs and only AKs! Personally, to help out Russian industry, Russian national pride, and to help out our soldiers, we should look to the new generation weapons, like the AN90, AK100, PKM, and Brizon.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Comrade,no you do not run and gun at the same time.

Half the group,platoon,squad,or whatever do the gunning and the rest do the running.
Then it`s the other way around.
Then it helps to have guns that:A goes boom when the trigger is pulled,even if you happened to get it a little dirty while running. B has a round that can go through lighter obstacles and still have enough velocity to kill or hurt anyone behind it.
You can ,however ,WALK and gun at the same time .

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Niu, you have somehow managed to start with no, then agree with me. And Von Mudra. IN THE ARMY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH ENEMY CORSPES! THEY ARE OFTEN BOOBY TRAPPED, WEAPONS AND ALL! STOP PLAYING COUNTER STRIKE TO LEARN HOW DANGEROUS THIS IS.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

ONe, I don't play CS, two, the guns are probably taken off of stokpiles, not dead bodies. And, you once again miss my point. RUSSKIE WEAPONS ARE BETTER THEN USA WEAPONS, THAT IS WHY OUR TROOPS WANT THEM!! God, you think it would be easy to understnad, but no....

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Agree? Shit no.all i know is that i myself should get me an AK,or PPsH,asap to have a gun that goes boom when needed and fires a useful round,not that 5.56 pos.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

It doesn't matter what's better, you are NOT allowed to take enemey weapons. You would end up with a logistics nightmare. Don't be so foolish, you're not allowed to just go "I think I'll sample one of those guns, that I have zero training and proficiency in, might jam, I don't know the condition of, and very well may be boobie trapped." Most those AKs over there are knock offs, not even real aks, and therefore not up to Russian quality. I know Russians have better small arms, but most of Iraq doesn't. And remember today Russia uses anything from an AK-74 family, to the AK-100 family, all the way to the AN-94 Abakan. So stop, stop being so foolish. You can't take enemy weapons because you don't know what they are. If a Marine is issued an enemy weapon he has a purpouse, in this case it was confusing the enemy forces.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Oh and by the way, most the AKs that are not ancient (47 or 47M type) fire the 5.54 anyway, (74 family.) therefore you're little bullet rave has gone right by. Besides, 5mm rounds are better against armoured targets, 7.62 is better against softer targets, without kevlar.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

Not allowed to pick up enemy weapons?
Must be the most fubared army around then,if it tells it`s soldiers to die instead of using perfectly usable equipment.
And btw,how bloody hard do you think it is to understand how an AK47 works?
Personally I`ve just recieved a briefing about the AK,never fired one,but was told that it would take me less than a minute to understand it.
But that was 18 years ago so let`s say 5 minutes.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

MG42 is old as well but still in use, just under another name and with minor changes.

Re: PPsh 41 WTF ? N00b Americanz
 

I never said the AK-74 is old did I? MG3 isn't old, but 42 is. Ak-47 is old, but 74 isn't. M-16A1 is old, but A3 and 4 aren't. So what is your point? You're just twisting weapon names to your advantage.