Spartacus Season 4

[LustyxChan]

So much better! I didn't really like last season very much, there was good parts don't get me wrong, but I like this season more

[Flash525]

Originally Posted by Fracture

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Also Flash, he didn't even get speared; Crixus was the one speared by Tiberius. If I remember right Agron was slashed by a sword in his side by a Roman. Then proceeded to fall to his knees and die, which is even more boring.

I stand corrected. It was just a sword (though I believe it was Tiberius and not just a common Soldier that took him down).

Originally Posted by LustyxChan

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I'm sure he is going to get back at him for raping him somehow.

I still can't quite believe that happened.

Originally Posted by Granyaski

Would you guys say it is better than the last season or worse?

As Lusty has said, this season is better than the last. Vengeance was too... political I think, that and it focused too much on Lucricia and Ilithia (their names may be incorrectly spelt). We'd already had them in Blood & Sand along with Gods of the Arena (at least one of them there). Their part in Vengeance didn't seem to be anything of note.

War of the Damned however, there hasn't yet been an episode which I've thought was too slow or boring. Granted there have been some that were slower than others (that's always the case) but in true form, this season lives up to all the hype and excitement.

[Fracture]

I would say it's pretty equal to the previous season; both seasons are good but in their own ways.

Like Flash said, Vengeance had incredible politics and scheming on the small scale. Focusing on characters and their efforts to get what they want. But it was a breath of fresh air to see a TV show that provided that level of detail and character developments. War of the Damned is a lot less detailed with less character development and more large scale battles and conflicts.

[Granyaski]

It's just a shame that so many people slander such a great series because of the sex and sometimes cheesey violence, they look over the attention to detail in costumes, politics and some class A actors. Even the dialogue is brilliant, especially between the women who are all just making snide little comments at each other with big fake smiles.

[Flash525]

...and just to make it even more interesting, with two episodes to go, they go on a friggin' break. God Damn It! Now I've got to wait an extra friggin' week.

Originally Posted by Granyaski

It's just a shame that so many people slander such a great series because of the sex and sometimes cheesey violence, they look over the attention to detail in costumes, politics and some class A actors. Even the dialogue is brilliant, especially between the women who are all just making snide little comments at each other with big fake smiles.

Quoted for truth. There is a similar opinion with the Game of Thrones show, but that is equally as brilliant.

[Jamoking]

Originally Posted by Granyaski

It's just a shame that so many people slander such a great series because of the sex and sometimes cheesey violence, they look over the attention to detail in costumes, politics and some class A actors. Even the dialogue is brilliant, especially between the women who are all just making snide little comments at each other with big fake smiles.

It's definitely a great series, maybe in my top five, at least top ten. Although I do think there are way too many sex scenes especially in the first season and prequel season. I remember when watching "Gods of the Arena" how much time was wasted showing sex scenes most of which weren't necessary. There has been some great writing for the series but the excessive sex scenes water down the overall writing quality. For me the excessive sex scenes make the writers look a little sloppy. They're too much of filler scenes than things that actually move the plot forward. However, I will give props to the writers and actors for the dialogue. The dialogue can be quite a mouthful sometimes and I'm sure the actors have had many flubs along the way more so than other dramas.

[Fracture]

Originally Posted by Jamoking

There has been some great writing for the series but the excessive sex scenes water down the overall writing quality. For me the excessive sex scenes make the writers look a little sloppy. They're too much of filler scenes than things that actually move the plot forward.

I disagree. Look up ancient Roman history. Ancient Rome was a cesspool of immorality. As far as historians are concerned, unrestrained sexual activity was a fairly normal characteristic for ancient Rome. Prostitution was legal, uninhibited, and widespread. Even some ancient Roman religions believed sexual activity would bring prosperity. The scenes depicted is Spartacus are pretty spot on for the culture of the day.

I say props to the shows writers for not shying away from the true nature of ancient Rome.

[Jamoking]

Originally Posted by Fracture

I disagree. Look up ancient Roman history. Ancient Rome was a cesspool of immorality. As far as historians are concerned, unrestrained sexual activity was a fairly normal characteristic for ancient Rome. Prostitution was legal, uninhibited, and widespread. Even some ancient Roman religions believed sexual activity would bring prosperity. The scenes depicted is Spartacus are pretty spot on for the culture of the day.

I say props to the shows writers for not shying away from the true nature of ancient Rome.

I think you may have misunderstood me. I know Rome was filled with unrestrained sexual activity but the show is called "Spartacus" not "Let's watch everyone have sex"

I'm not saying I have a problem with all the sex scenes because there are a handful that are key to the plot and I understand them including sex scenes makes it a more true depiction of Rome. But what I'm saying is that by season one, I think the audience got the idea that Rome was a sex fueled culture. Rather than continually beating us over the head with Roman sex culture they could have cut the sex scenes by half or even just take away a quarter and used that time for political intrigue, non-sexual character relation developments, extended action sequences, etc.

If a sex scene is going to be in episode there better be a good reason why it is being shown not just because there hasn't been a sex scene in a while. I will say though I think this season has done a better job of cutting back on sex scenes and showing only what is absolutely necessary. I just wish they would have reduced the number slightly in the past seasons.

[Granyaski]

Originally Posted by Fracture

I say props to the shows writers for not shying away from the true nature of ancient Rome.

There are so many TV shows where they hide the true nature of what happened and make it look all high and mighty when really there was shit and sex everywhere and people were even bigger arseholes than they are now.

Hats off to the writers.

[Jamoking]

Thoughts on the last episode?

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Interesting to see Agron still alive but I guess that explains why his apparent "death scene" in the previous episode was so lame. I guess the one question that's left on my mind is whether or not Caesar would have killed Tiberius on the way back to Crassus if he had had the chance to. I'm guessing he would have but part of me also thinks he might not have because he could have used the rescue/return of Tiberius as something to elevate him in Crassus' eyes.

Only one episode left now, can't wait to see how it all ends.