The Clone Wars destroyed much of the Star Wars franchise and fanbase.
 

It really was just pathetic. AND ANIMATED?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
The movie was mostly for kids, which isn't cool by me. Why even make another movie anyway? Or at least, why make one that's ANIMATED? Say "I" if you have a lower view of Star Wars now or were disapointed in the pathetic movie/game.

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The Phantom Menace, Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith already detroyed the franchise.

The Clone Wars just hammered in the final nail in the coffin.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Lucasarts tanks sometime in a decade or two. The new games are a futile attempt to revive the company's dying heart (fanbase=heart, and fanbase=money).

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I don't see how it's destroying it at all. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Sure it's just a grab for money, thats what basically everything is today.

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Oh, the NEW movie and TV show. Yay, they're an insult to Star Wars, but I still remember the awesome job they did with the GOOD cartoon; STAR WARS: CLONE WARS. I still watch episode 20 on Youtube everyday. Because of that series, I can ignore the new crap and still believe Star Wars is awesome.

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You might aswell say that the Old Republic comics ruined the entire franchise, because they put the past of the Star Wars universe in a different perspective. They made a mistake, but it's still not enough to turn the entire fanbase away from the franchise. Besides, I thought most people expected the second one to be failure, after the first one hit the bottom with the budget animation and dialogue?

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I wouldn't say that it ruined the franchise but it made a few pretty big dents. I don't think any single show or movie can "ruin" a franchise, esspecially if it's as big as Star Wars.

On a side note: This is more for any mandalorian fans out there, Karen Traviss, author of the Republic Commando novels and developer of the Mandalorian culture and language, has pulled out of finishing the RC series because of fundamental changes that the Clone Wars series is making to the mandalorians. These changes have also endangered several different novel series in the expanded universe.

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I didn't mind it, even as a cartoon. Of course a film would have been better but they are money grabbing and appealing to kids is the best way to do it with minimal costs to actors...

The most annoying thing is Ahsoka Tano(I think) Anakin's 'apprentice', how did he even have an apprentice and even one thats as good as she is THAT YOUNG?
The only other thing is the cheesey dialog from Anakin and Tano...

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And what happened to Tano when he fell to the Dark Side?... They should have at least given us the chance to kill that red Twi'lek in Force Unleashed!

But then again guys, we should remember that this is for the new generation and the new generation directors care about one thing - PROFIT

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it aint actually too bad some of the stuff is a bit stupid though.. youre right aqbout the dialoge and ashoka

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Truly sorry to burst your bubble, chump, but the original trilogy was for kids too.

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This was more for kids if you like it that way.

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No it wasn't. It's simply a fact that:

a) Star Wars was made for kids.
b) Those kids grew up
c) They expected Star Wars to grow up with them
d) It didn't
e) Cry

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errrrrmmm....how isn't it?. It's a cartoon with cheesey dialog and no actuall gore, adult humour or scenes or any inults.
Anyone could see it was for kids.

The old trilogy was for everyone. I remember watching it when i was 7 in 2000 and thinking how boring it was...look at me now!

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The original trilogy got a U or PG rating (or whatever the US equivalent is), and it was essentially a fairy tale told in space.

It was for kids.

I'm not saying the Clone Wars is not for kids (it is). But if you're going to rag on animation as childish, prepare for the wrath of manga fans.

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So... let me see if I got that right... you think Star Wars is for kids? Then Lord of the Rings is, too. And Stargate.
Did you ever consider including something else into your theory than the fact that it is not real?
I mean, if Mickey Mouse took out a lightsabre and started slicing other Disney characters for any cause except bloodthirstyness, that would still go as "for kids"?
The Clone Wars just lacked any kind of seriousness. Not necessarily because there might have been nothing serious about it but because the style and certain sequences simply ridiculed any attempt to be serious in the first place.

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I don't mind the The Clone Wars. Well, I didn't really like the movie but the TV Show isn't all that bad. I watch it online from StarWars.com every week since I don't get Cartoon Network but remember, some Star Wars is better than no Star Wars even if it means Cartoons, that's the way I see it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Would you rather nothing? At least they're putting an effort into refreshing Star Wars and making something new without ruining the movies.

I think it actually draws in more fans now than it destroys. Each story tells of something new that happened in the Star Wars Universe whether its told as a Cartoon or a real life motion picture, its still the same. Just think, the kids that watch the show now will grow up enjoying Star Wars and well, make more dedicated fans in the future. And the show isn't just for little kids, look at me I'm no little kid but I still watch it. =p

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Sigh.......... The original trilogy was written for a young audience. Just because it is watched by millions does not take away from that fact. Yes, just like Lord of the Rings which Tolkien wrote for his children (thems kids too).

I'm a huge SW fan and a huge LOTR fan, but at 21 I can still see the simple truth. It's not a bad thing.

Another example is Harry Potter. Books written for kids. Movies made for kids. Enjoyed by all ages. I love loads of different movies. Loads of kids movies. Do you think I'm insulting you by saying that Star Wars is for kids? If that is the case you really need to get off the computer for a bit and take a reality check. Wow.


Disney is for kids too.

They don't need lightsabres to be bad guys. YouTube - Disney Villains

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*Kinetic, do me a favour and take a chill pill before you post again. Here, I have one right here: http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/sign0197.gif

I'm sure you can prove your points and carry a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. I don't care who you are, how old you are and how much you know about Star Wars. Everyone here are entitled to their own opinions. If you agree with them, good. If you don't, be respectful and agree that you disagree. Respect and maturity are the keywords here.

Also, take a look at the forum FAQ/Rules and read the guidelines before you continue posting, ok? Thank you. :don:

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In empirical sciences, we tend to provide proof as fact and not just say something and call it fact.

Aaaaaaaand I'm 20 and still don't see the point you're trying to make here, sorry.

Tenno Aang herewith wishes to state that he did not, does not and never will like or, even worse, enjoy Harry Potter. Quite the contrary.

No, I'm not but if you feel that attacked so fast, you my friend need to get out and talk to people. No offence.

Could you provide me a list of characters that have died in Disney movies? And please only come back to me when they number at least in the hundreds.




And now... other than presenting more evidence etc., I suggest we drop the Disney topic and get back to berating The Clone Wars. :p

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What did I say that was wrong?

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This:
It was rude and aimed at another member, therefore it classifies as a personal attack.
And there you go doing it again. I don't know what's your problem, but this ends right here, right now. Watch your language. This is your second warning. If you fail to comply, I will start deleting your posts. That is all.

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Yeah I agree, at least they are doing SOMETHING rather than selling crappy mechandise.
I personally don't mind it THAT much it's tollerable, has a bit of humour-it's mainly Anakin and Ahsoka that kill it with crappy dialog.

And by the sounds of it you want to like indoctrinate kids into little SW fans by making them watch it when they are young:lol:


:donitz:



By the way guys just remember that it's just a cartoon, fair enough it's SW but don't have a fit over it...

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Yeah...the animated cartoon was orientated toward the 9 - 12 year-old market. From the few snippets I seen when nothing less boring was on, it kinda dragged. You'd think the SW people would have learned not to repeat the cartooning of a franchise from ST. Oh well.

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To say that the Original Trilogy was a "Kids Movie" is a naive simplification, honestly.

The Original Trilogy itself is just meshed from classic story elements taken particularly from Norse and Greek hero concepts. It's just a modern-day epic which (unlike the epics of Classic Greece) is set in a place that although completely different from our everyday lives, we can relate to.

To say that a film is a kids movie, is to imply what? That children like the movie? I know kids who loved Gladiator, or Kill Bill, or one of countless war movies that exist, does that make them kids movies? Although open to interpretation, I'd go so far as to say No, it obviously doesn't.

To me, a "kids movie" is a movie that has virtually no appeal to adults, save possible nostalgia and the fact that it would make their child happy, i.e. 95% of all Disney movies, the majority of movies based on cartoons, what have you. These usually contain little death, almost always have a happy ending, have cutesy characters that don't have serious problems (Drug problems, sex problems, insanity...), a lot of crude or simple humor and finally they almost always reinforce the idea that children, however insignificant they are, have a huge impact on their environment.

Following that criteria, I'd have to say that the Original Trilogy is definitely not "Kiddie material", The Prequel Trilogy isn't either, although a lot more in that direction, and finally the Clone Wars (specifically the recent series/movie) is definitely a "Kid series".

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Even if it was a kid's movie, it still destoryed it. I didn't even go to watch it. But from the images and previews, the models were horrible. It was like guitar hero style graphics.

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The only Star Wars I'm willing to accept as true Star Wars are the OT.
Everything else to me are just happy little alternate universes or possible causes of the events in the movies. I never felt the cohesiveness and unique feeling of interest and care in the prequels as I did in the OT or EU. So as far as I'm concerned George Lucas and most of the world under 12 can have their Star Wars, and I can have mine. ;)

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I think it is missing the point slightly to concentrate on whether a movie or series is aimed at kids or not. A movie or series can be pitched at kids but still hold to proper production values in terms of characters, story and dialogue.

I seen Star Wars on first cinema release in 1977, I was a kid, it was a kids movie and I loved it. But it contained scenes and dialogue i didn't appreciate till I was much older. When Obi-Wan describes Mos Eisley as "a wretched hive of scum and villainy". That doesn't mean anything to an 8 year old, but as I grow older it become one of my favourite lines, because the movies had depth and solidity.

In this clone wars series, they would say something along the lines of, "like, don't go near that place dude, you know, it is full of bad people and stuff, so like, yeh, don't go there."

Clone Wars is abysmal and the fact it is for kids is no excuse.

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the clone wars are far better than any of the prequels that were released despite it's flaws. i can't stand the personalities that were given to the battle droids after the phantom menace, but the show just exacerbates their annoying tendencies. that's my major qualm with the show. the stories, however, aren't as contrived as the plots in the first two prequels; granted, they're not all great, but for an animated feature, they're pretty enjoyable.

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I absolutely despise Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and contrary to what some of you have said, it is destroying the movies. I like the movies, all six of them, but things are getting very bad for Star Wars ever since they concocted the New Jedi Order and beyond.

TCW is creating a mess out of the Clone Wars era, a mess I don't think they are going to be able to dig their selves out of in a way that is satisfactory to me. Thanks to TCW, the Tantive IV is no longer in Revenge of the Sith when everything since RotS said that the Tantive IV was the CR70, until they decided to retcon it to be the Sundered Heart from EaW and make the Tantive IV a CR90 from the beginning, in the recent Star Wars: Blueprints! The c20 Vanguard refit explanation for the differences between a CR70 and a CR90 were far better than this Tantive IV dramatic reversal retcon nonsense (as I have come to call it) that goes directly against George Lucas's own words.

The list goes on and on, from Ryloth rotating like every other planet to the death of Even Piell in the second year of the Clone Wars when he lived through the Clone Wars and died in Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight, for what a stupid kid's cartoon is doing to Star Wars canon when it really shouldn't be able to do that based on the canon system.

I could go on and on about the Del-Rey books too, but this isn't the thread for such an argument.