connection of clone trooper with stormtrooper

[Tarvos]

The Clones that were there at the beginning of the Empire were converted into StormTroopers. They built up their army with normal recruits, and as some people believe, clones of people besides Jango Fett.

[Mastah_Chief]

There should be a book explaining all this.

[Tarvos]

Considering that there are hundreds of Star Wars books, I'm sure it's in one of them. Rise of Darth Vader might have some of it.

[blacklightning]

Try playing Battlefront 2. It explains it all there.

[darkclone]

well not exactly it says that the 501st were given new armour and weapons, this doesn't apply to the whole army, i assume many of the original clones died during the clone wars and had to be replaced with new clones, recruits and new clones of new recruits.

[blacklightning]

After the Kamino level it says that the Empire stole the clone genes then added some new DNA into the mix and created a diverse army with new recruits as well. This is because the Emperor saw that the clones could pose a big threat to him because if one turns against him they all will. The 501st was the only battalion to remain pure.

[bczretribution]

ok 2 things that no one seems to have thought of.
1. the big defence people are using to say storm troopers are clones is the game battlefront 2. this game is not a very good sorce to use, ans i have found MANY inconsitincies in its story line wit hthe rest of the SW universe. the creators of the game did not try very hard to keep it consitint with the rest of star wars. so this is not a good sorce to quote from.
2. in the timothy zahn series refered to dealing with thrawn that somone hit on there is more evidence that was not used. thrawn did yuse clones to bolster teh ranks of his storm troopers beasue he DID NOT have the recorces or training planets that the empuire used to have. these clones luke noted felt diffrnt through the force, they felt out of place. thrawn did this as preveously mention through an inprovement on cloning tecjk that alowed him to clone one in 2 weeks instead of 10-20 years. however teh bog point is how they felt in the force. luke and obi wan were both around troopers offen through the movies and therewas notihng said about them feeling wierd. since luke was new to the whole force tihng you would expect him to coment if something felt wrong.
3. (jsut thought of this) soem peopel referenced the academy on cardia. this was only one of a half dozen imperial academy worlds. the academies sole purpose were to train the new recruits. each acedemy used the entire planet and consited of millions of people. these were the empires main sorce of troops. while i agree that some clones were probably still being produced (mabie with the tubes at wayland). tehy did not make up the core of the army or navy. i would not be suprised if the emperors guard (bed guys with force pikes in ep 6) were clones as "they were all hand picked to be lethal, effective, obeying without question, the same height, and elite" judjeing by teh description of teh wayland facility, that was about the extent of the capabilities of teh emporor to create clones. also if youtihnk of the emporers paranoia, i doubt he would let any normal person be his guard due to the posibilty of treason. the clones he knew he could control, but were no longer practical as a means to fill teh army. (realize the kameno army took them 20 years and, while it was the largest ever seen at teh time, was not even 1/10th the size of teh imperial military during ep 4-6. the death star held 265000 alone).

referenced- the esential guide books. battlefront 2. thwawn trilogy. micilaneous other books dealing with han, kyp, and cardia

[blacklightning]

Originally Posted by bczretribution

ok 2 things that no one seems to have thought of.

Then why did you list three things?

Originally Posted by bczretribution

1. the big defence people are using to say storm troopers are clones is the game battlefront 2. this game is not a very good sorce to use, ans i have found MANY inconsitincies in its story line wit hthe rest of the SW universe. the creators of the game did not try very hard to keep it consitint with the rest of star wars. so this is not a good sorce to quote from.

Yes. But we already agreed that most were normal recruits.

Originally Posted by bczretribution

2. in the timothy zahn series refered to dealing with thrawn that somone hit on there is more evidence that was not used. thrawn did yuse clones to bolster teh ranks of his storm troopers beasue he DID NOT have the recorces or training planets that the empuire used to have. these clones luke noted felt diffrnt through the force, they felt out of place. thrawn did this as preveously mention through an inprovement on cloning tecjk that alowed him to clone one in 2 weeks instead of 10-20 years. however teh bog point is how they felt in the force. luke and obi wan were both around troopers offen through the movies and therewas notihng said about them feeling wierd. since luke was new to the whole force tihng you would expect him to coment if something felt wrong.

Yes... but the thing about Luke is... Luke is a git. And Obi-Wan and Anakin suck too. In Episode 3 when they are on that lift they don't notice the droids. And when Anakin comes back into the lift Obi-Wan almost attacks him. The moral of this story is... Jedi suck.

Originally Posted by bczretribution

they were all hand picked to be lethal, effective, obeying without question, the same height, and elite

That doesn't mean that they are clones. Even twins get their own personalitys and physical differences. Play Republic Commando and read the developers notes if you're unsure. They say that one twin could be a complete angel yet the other could be a complete b*stard. It is the experiences of the clones that define them.

[Commander Dox]

Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

Stormtroopers during the Galactic Civil War era were not clones. They were raw recruits - in fact there was an Academy on Carida for training stormtroopers. Han Solo attended this Imperial Academy.

The only time after the clone wars that clones were used for anything was roughly five years after the destruction of the Death Star when the Chiss Grand Admiral, Thrawn, discovered the Emperor's spaarti cloning cylinders on Wayland and used them, in conjunction with ysalimiri, to grow clones at an unheard-of rate of about one fully-grown clone in about two weeks. These clones, however, were never put to use, as Thrawn was killed before such a thing could happen. The ace TIE fighter pilot Soontir Fel was one of the templates for these clones.

The problem with clones is that they take a very long time to produce. So unless they had another batch going, the Empire could not have produced clones because they did not have Thrawn's handy grow-a-clone trick. Afer the Kaminoan clones were gone, that was the end of them. That's why the GCW is not called "the Clone Wars." Because the clone wars ended.

So let me repeat that GCW stormtroopers are not clones. Unless you mean to suggest Han Solo is a clone.

Yes, some of the Stormtroopers were the orginal Clone troopers from Kamino and during the Clone Wars there were other cloneing facilities all across the galixie that used diffrent cell tablets insted of Jango's cell tablet.
The reason why the GCW wasnt called the Clone Wars is because the rebles are people who did not agree with the empire so they "rebeld",thats why they considerit to be a cival war because citizans that were under control of the empire like I said rebeld and set up bases on planets the empire did not control to gain more power to over through the empire and balence the force.
So what i am saying is that some of the stormtroopers are clones from Kamino and other cloneing facilities all over. But once the clone war was over, they didnt clone anymore and used the left over clone troopers for there army.And you were right about that they took recruits from planets and the galixie cause on a New Hope,when the stormtroopers were walking in the control room were R2 AND C-3PO were one of the troopers banged its head against the door frame cause he was to tall.Thats a clue that not all of them were cloned.

[Zedo Mann]

The Stormies are just the Clones in Quote - "Shiny New Armor" Star Wars Battlefront II - If you played Battlefront II you will have noticed after you complete the Jedi Temple Mission if you watched the movie that it tells about the Clones and how they change and get their SHINY NEW ARMOR!