Stop being Sucks about Soulstorm

[PythonFang]

So far I've been reading all the other topics and I can straight away spot how idiotic some of you are.

1. The flying units are weak because otherwise everyone would just use them and ground warfair would be destroyed entirely.
Theres not much flying units because not all races have an abundent selection, IG have lots while Necrons have bairly any so it would be unfair.

2. The Campain is boring because its a non-linear campain, not because its crap.
It's also boring because its basicly the same as DC but you all liked that so I don't see how you have the SS one.

3. Some people say SOB are overpowered but there are several factors that even out that.
A) They have to build alot of big buildings to achieve there maximun pop and theres not usually enough pop to do that.
B) There turrets are absoultly rubbish.
C) There vehicles are rubbish compaired to other races.
And anything else you want to pick at, why don't you just mod it yourself.

4. SS probally can't run without a disk because probally people installed the game on there CPU, and there friends CPU and just playing offline, and that illegal.

5. Some of the races are "defective" but if you hadn't noticed the other 3 games also had things wrong with them and thats why they released things called PATCHES to fix up there mistakes, you can't expect them to get everything right the first time, everytime.

6. Why critisise something when you probally couldn't of done anything that would even come close to this game. If you can then just mod the game to your liking and


STOP COMPLAINING.

[Tau 22]

I agree with you. I got Soulstorm and I´m lovin it. The campaign may seem a bit repetitive, but I still like it (Got my butt kicked by Dark Eldar though. They have REALLY strong ranged attacks). There may be a few bugs here and there, but I´m sure that they will fix it in a future patch. I like the air units too. I lacked a fast scout unit and now every race has one. All in all, I think the game´s great.

[Angel Angelis]

Praise the Emperor! Finally some rather level headed individuals that have an answers to all those SOB's that won't stop saying "SS sucks, It ruined the series, I am going to make everyone else listen to me complain now and make you all suffer," people.

[Grand Master Bean]

I love it

Yes, there are a few things bad about it (like how ridiculously overpowered the Dais of Destruction is, and the SoB building sounds are the SM ones) but overall it;s great!

PS roll on the patches

[Sergeant M. Fudgey]

Originally Posted by PythonFang

So far I've been reading all the other topics and I can straight away spot how idiotic some of you are.

1. The flying units are weak because otherwise everyone would just use them and ground warfair would be destroyed entirely.
Theres not much flying units because not all races have an abundent selection, IG have lots while Necrons have bairly any so it would be unfair.

2. The Campain is boring because its a non-linear campain, not because its crap.
It's also boring because its basicly the same as DC but you all liked that so I don't see how you have the SS one.

3. Some people say SOB are overpowered but there are several factors that even out that.
A) They have to build alot of big buildings to achieve there maximun pop and theres not usually enough pop to do that.
B) There turrets are absoultly rubbish.
C) There vehicles are rubbish compaired to other races.
And anything else you want to pick at, why don't you just mod it yourself.

4. SS probally can't run without a disk because probally people installed the game on there CPU, and there friends CPU and just playing offline, and that illegal.

5. Some of the races are "defective" but if you hadn't noticed the other 3 games also had things wrong with them and thats why they released things called PATCHES to fix up there mistakes, you can't expect them to get everything right the first time, everytime.

6. Why critisise something when you probally couldn't of done anything that would even come close to this game. If you can then just mod the game to your liking and


STOP COMPLAINING.

A few rational questions for you:

1. Don't they add new units so that everyone will use them? If they're weak and designed specifically so that everyone won't use them then why would they even be there?

2. They took out the few scripted missions they had in DC and made it a skirmish fest.

3. People cannot be expected to know how to mod. There aren't nearly enough tutorials out there for everyone who plays SS to know how to mod.

4. Fair enough.

5. From what I've heard, they were quite defective, as in DE observers can use their soul powers. That's what play testing is meant to be for. I think they could have found that if they play tested in more extensively, that being said, Iron Lore was shut down while making SoulStorm.

6. Why not criticize it? I believe someone has the right to get what they want in a purchase. Sure, most people couldn't make it, they wouldn't know how.

Imagine a man orders some food at a restaurant, he has been there before and he likes the food, though he doesn't know what's in it. Today he orders what he always orders. However; when the food arrives, it is half eaten, cold and has a mysterious and less than tantalizing aroma about it.
That is how I feel about SoulStorm, that is how a lot of other people feel about SoulStorm, and you can just stop listening to us rather than screaming for us to shut up.

There is criticism for any game. Wat makes this one so special? Was there, perhaps more criticism than usual? If so, could there be a reason? I ask you to merely contemplate this.
Good day to you.
NMF

[fuggles]

lol @ 5.

For, what was it, 6 months? If you built the holy add-on for the SoB's and then canceled it you made a load of req and power which made the SoB's untouchable.

6 months.

The problem was never entirely that it was borked, it was that no-one fixed what was borked. The automatch STILL isn't fixed so it doesn't take into account points when automatching you, which sort of just makes it matching really.

2) at least had commander smack talk. DC was a pretty poor single player effort and to have that again but bigger and with huge loading times was not good. It's crap to me as you can't actually lose. Try it, the AI just will not take you out, it will dither between two territories. It's a miracle if the AI even kills each other. For a metamap to work it needs unpredictability and for the AI to at least have a go at winning. It should be like Risk or Empire:Total War, but really you load a skirmish for several minutes, bum rush the enemy with your honour guard and then wait minutes for the game to go back to menu.

Oh, and "Metal boxes"...

4) is causing me grief as sporadically my DVD won't recognize the SS disk.

Overall, I look more kindly on SS now than I did at the time. Perhaps it's because at least some stuff got fixed after a huge wait, but more likely it's that more mods use it as their base now than DC. In terms of balance and variety it's above DC and although a lot of things suck, such as flier implentation, then you get cool things like the DE dark cannons. The single player is awful and although I've tried to improve it through mods like my own and the bugfix, it's still a massive underachievement.

However, is there any point complaining about a game that is clearly no longer supported? Nah. Just enjoy it for what it is.

[Uwsar-Hat-Anupuw]

get a new DVD Thats what I did...

[Junk angel]

So let's start mercilessly dissassembling the OP. Even if it's been so long and the OP probably isn't around. This thread was necroe'd so why not enjoy it now.

1. The flying units are weak because otherwise everyone would just use them and ground warfair would be destroyed entirely.
Theres not much flying units because not all races have an abundent selection, IG have lots while Necrons have bairly any so it would be unfair.

You should be aware that basically all races have the same amount of flying units. I.e. 1.
The problem is, that the one who designed them was a tad an idiot. First of all, flying units should not be constant in a game such as DOW where terrain, cover and simmilar things define so many things. A unit that can ignore all of this just doesn't fit. (not to mention they are a badly implemented)
Second comes the complete braindead balance of the units. The TAU manta is OP at first sight. And OP is probably an understatement.
Most of the others are just bad, not worth it or bug ridden.
Basically the only two others that are worth it, is the lightning (due to it being the only real counter to the MANTA) and the tempest which gives marines a mobile AV unit.

2. The Campain is boring because its a non-linear campain, not because its crap.
It's also boring because its basicly the same as DC but you all liked that so I don't see how you have the SS one.

The campaign was boring in DC, it's even worse in SS. Due to it being longer and no real special territories.

3. Some people say SOB are overpowered but there are several factors that even out that.
A) They have to build alot of big buildings to achieve there maximun pop and theres not usually enough pop to do that.
B) There turrets are absoultly rubbish.
C) There vehicles are rubbish compaired to other races.
And anything else you want to pick at, why don't you just mod it yourself.

While I love the race, they have a number of terrible terrible problems.
a) They are bug ridden. At first it was a possibility for them to have unlimited resources via an exploit, at later patches it was a very very broken armor upgrade. Then there were issues with the saint and others.
Not to mention the voice acting was bad, and their textures seem to be the kind that are put on units in their second iterations to just test the look. Basically WIP textures.

4. SS probally can't run without a disk because probally people installed the game on there CPU, and there friends CPU and just playing offline, and that illegal.

Firstly I recommend you look up what most PC terms actually mean.
I highly highly doubt anyone would install the game on their Central Processing Unit.
As to the multiple PC's for home use. This problem would have been easily alleviated, if an old feature on most older RTS's came back.
Ever heard of so called multiplayer SPAWN copies? a very handy feature that's sadly not present anymore.
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5. Some of the races are "defective" but if you hadn't noticed the other 3 games also had things wrong with them and thats why they released things called PATCHES to fix up there mistakes, you can't expect them to get everything right the first time, everytime.

Let me think back. What was the most broken things in the older games? Hmm? vanilla.
Seer council warlock ranged DPS reduction stack+guardian tri-grenades. Was fixed extremely quickly. And wasn't fully gamebreaking. The eldar were always OP in vanilla and this didn't add that terribly much.
WA - IG non-existant armor class (which made them only slightly worse of than terminator armor) and with it their bayonett charge. Again fixed a very short time after release.
DC - Crisis suit flamer with no relead|No armor class for that one necron building they needed to tech and it's ease of destruction due to it. Again fixed extremely quickly.
SS: Just a few of the big ones. Sob cancel exploit, sob living saint bug, sob post-patch armor class. DE - observer using soul powers, eldar - usage of the harlequin made you have 0 res (it was tied to an old seraphim ability which was scraped. It was similar to dance of death but used faith. Some leftover code stayed there and made dance of death cost all your req and power.) IG flyer bug and countless of others.
Fixed in a number of months

6. Why critisise something when you probally couldn't of done anything that would even come close to this game. If you can then just mod the game to your liking and

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Because I paid for a product and expect the product to work as advertised or at least close to it.
Instead I get a product which is far worse than the previous one, for the same price.

[EyeStabba]

Seriously stupid remarks :/ Python is obviously not capable of coping with another man's oppinion.

The point about modding is seriously retarded. You can't seriously expect that game producers only make half-arsed games so that the player community can finish it off for them? And you can't just expect everyone to be able to mod. People want to be able to play the game they PAY FOR as the game should be, they don't want to spent hours into making it into what it should be.

(ps: i haven't even bought/played this game because i've heard little good of it)

[ForgeFather]

true it might not be good, but you should still get it especially that price has gone down now, its still a fun game, especially on multiplayer, ive yet to finish a campaign though cause id rather set up my own skirmish maps.