Crysis Very High DX10 - 8800GT

[Weesals]

GameSpy.com - Gimme The Stats!
All the top 10 most played games (20 even) can be run at nice framerate on your system

Also note that just because a new game comes out, doesnt mean the majority of gamers move to this new title. So these "high end" are not what the average gamer plays, I still know ALOT of people who play war3 mods (war3 came out in 2002)

War3 (Dota) is still played at almost every LAN I go to, it and CSS are given the most time at valhalla, and also have the highest prize money

Anyway, I forgot what were arguing about, I think its time for a new argument

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

I think its time for you to get facts straight, people that buy GOOD systems like mine or better, typically play GOOD games, why be content with low gfx when you can get higher gfx easily

Anyways, can't talk, fixing computer lol

[Weesals]

Well then, using your logic:
* Gamers who play intensive games, typicaly have good systems
* Crysis is 22nd on the list of most played games
* Your system runs Crysis at an "ONLY JUST playable"[his first post] framerate
Therefore, there are a very very small percentage of people who have a system equal or better than yours

So you just argued for my origional point, that your system is above the average gamers rig

[DarkKrucifix7]

Originally Posted by Sgt. D. Pilla

@Havok, this system is a BASIC gaming system, it is in NO way High end or even average gaming...not yet atleast.
The GPU I have is crappy to what it should/could have been for the same price, if nVidia bothered trying, the 8800GT would have been awesomly more powerful for the same price.
Also, my Ram is average DDR2 speeds, almost everyone has the same speed ram as me, and whats more, its nothing special, its not gel, its not a 'gaming' brand like Corsair, it doesn't have heat sinks, its just default, DDR2 ram, normal ram, you have the same stuff to I'd say.
CPU is yeah, well, limited, I max out my CPU easy as piss, for the 2nd fastest Dual Core, it sure is slow lol.
Im upgrading to quad in a few months time.

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I hate to do this...but you are asking for it

Are you drunk?

I don't think you have any clue what you are talking about

"BASIC" rig? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ....no

you want BASIC?
my old @$$ rig: P4 1.6ghz, 512mb of RAM (DDR PC2100 = SLOW), 60GB HD, GeForce 6200 128mb (previous card was a Geforce2 MX440 64mb = FAIL)
that would be considered BASIC now-a-days

Average memory speed is...about right, i'll give you that.
the most common current memory speeds are 667, 800, or 1066(1066 only supported by tri or quad core processors and specially marked mobo's)

Weesals saying that he was getting 40fps is not impossible with a 9800gtx
on 1024x768 screen rez with no AA you could reach that or really close.
(like here: XFX GeForce 9800 GTX Video Card - 512MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV PVT98FYDF9 at TigerDirect.com or XFX GeForce 9800 GTX Video Card - FREE Call of Duty 4 PC Game, Black Edition, 512MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support PVT98FYDBU at TigerDirect.com) It depends on the system.

The problem isn't the rig, its Crysis
the developers had super high end PC's when they made it and forgot to take into the fact that most people don't own a $2k+ supersystem like they had.

My current system (ATi HD 2600xt, 2 gb (DDR2 PC2 5300) memory, and AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ 2.2ghz ) can run the horrily un-optimized DEMO on almost all HIGH settings with no stuttering (no AA, 1024X768 screen rez of course). My system is considered a lowish-medium system. With 4x AA and 8x AF i have to bump some of the settings to medium and it will play fine.

My old @$$ rig I mentioned above, I am rebuilding to MUCH high than my current system (Phenom Quadcore 9550, ASUS 3870 or a 4k series when they come out, 3 gb of 800mhz Ram) would have even higher performance.

Also...cut out as many unnessiary processes that ur PC doesn't need before you play, you WILL get noticeable performance increase.


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...yes I am aware that i just flamed the h3ll out of an admin, I just need to get this out after you started spewing your nonsense. Some other people here have been trying to beat into your head what I just said, you just refuse to listen.

Ban me if you wish...but it would just solidify what I said.

[DarkKrucifix7]

I apologize for what I wrote above...I was not in a particularly good mood at the time and read what you typed...and just started typing without any thought whatsoever.

So, I apologize for my rudeness.

[Weesals]

Originally Posted by DarkKrucifix7

I apologize for what I wrote above...I was not in a particularly good mood at the time and read what you typed...and just started typing without any thought whatsoever.

So, I apologize for my rudeness.

What you wrote was good, Sgt. D. Pilla needs to listen to other people sometimes and take in their opinions without always forcing his own on them

Also, i dont think admins deserve special treatment, they are here to police the forums, not to be gods in it

[DarkKrucifix7]

Originally Posted by Weesals

What you wrote was good, Sgt. D. Pilla needs to listen to other people sometimes and take in their opinions without always forcing his own on them

true...but i probably could have said it nicer

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

No, YOUR wrong, you don't have a gaming system, its clearly built to be an standard home/office system, not built to be a gaming system, even though you may game on it....
Do you play Crysis at all? If so, then you KNOW that Resolution does nothing for the framerate, and AA hardly effects the 8800GT until you actually get to a decent level (8* +)
Crytek have stated that Resolution sizes don't effect the Framerate dramatically like they do in other games.
According to numerous sources, the 9800GTX runs Crysis @ 16FPS at 1440*900 Very High AA 2*
The 8800GT does 21FPS Very High 1280*1024 (Essentially the same size resolution) 19FPS for 4* AA.
9800GTX is a fail card, even ask nVidia that!
The developers did a fine job on Crysis, they've said in interviews and pod casts that they didn't make the game for everyone, they made it to push hardware and to push the boundries of gaming graphics/engines, and they have
Your system would be considered a basic gaming system, just like mine, that GPU is fine, Ram is mine, CPU is more then fine for Crysis

And your talking to the wrong person about cutting processes, I know slighly more about computers then you sound like you do

I listen more then you know, only difference is, Im right..., and average gaming system *Going by gamers* is a quad OR a similar CPU to mine, 8800Ultra/GTS G92/GTX or higher, and 4GB Ram + Raptor HDDs.
I don't have anything even close, other then the CPU which SUCKS hard!

Also, clearly you don't know the forums well at all, Im not an admin....Well i am, but don't have the badge of it yet <_<

[DarkKrucifix7]

I have no clue where you get your information....

Did you just completely overlook TigerDirect's tests on the 9800gtx?

and resolution DOES affect performance,

Try running Crysis on a lower resolution then on your monitor's max supported...THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENCE...but since you seem to be oblivious to everything we are saying....you probably wont notice anything.

Since my new rig that i am making is going to quash yours anyway...I'll forgive your lack of intelligence.


HAVE A NICE DAY

Edit: An actual Screenshot of the Crysis Demo

Spoiler:

[Weesals]

Originally Posted by Sgt. D. Pilla

No, YOUR wrong, you don't have a gaming system, its clearly built to be an standard home/office system, not built to be a gaming system, even though you may game on it....

A non gaming system is pretty much anything with integrated graphics, what would be the point in buying an 8600 if it wasnt used for games? Its not top range gaming system, but it can easily be used to game on.

And rendering more pixels, means more for the GPU to do, and so lower frame rate
Ive uploaded 2 screens running crysis at High DX9, one at 800*480, other at 1440*900, which is 3.4 times the size, and runs 2.5 times slower

Originally Posted by Sgt. D. Pilla

they didn't make the game for everyone, they made it to push hardware and to push the boundries of gaming graphics/engines, and they have

But yet similar graphics can be seen in other titles and can run at a much better framerate? Crysis is the same as the Battlefields, they are awesome to play, but badly optimized (If you try making a game, you will see there is always room for more optimizations, since crysis was running badly, they shouldve spent more time working on less costly ways of doing things)
Look at http://www.projectoffset.com/media/g4tv.wmv, to me, those graphics look better than crysis, and were recorded in realtime back in 2005 (before they had the 8 series..)

A good example of bad optimizations is the shadows, they work fine in other games, but yet dont look that good in crysis and run like crap (DX9 mode)