Crysis Very High DX10 - 8800GT

[Weesals]

Originally Posted by n88tr

sales failed to break over 87,000 units [source is Maximum PC UK, march 2008] in the US. I also read in the same article that COD4 [though on the x360, but still an interesting figure] sold over 1.4 MILLION units.

woa, i had no idea the sales were that low :S

why cant users just run with lower graphics? even on lower graphics, its still much better graphics than most other games, and isnt the gameplay and extensive physics what should draw people in?

I recon if crytek released Very High as a patch later on, they couldve improved their sales quite alot

Anyway, my argument is that all these cards (8800's) are great cards, just because they dont run the most demanding game out, doenst mean they suck and should not be used by any gamer, look at the most played games for 2007 (http://www.nielsen.com/media/2007/pr...a_download.pdf), the average gamer who plays these games could easily run any of his games on the highest settings with any 8800 card (These games seem a little off, but i'd still say HL2 mods are the most common games)

Also, about ATI, i think the 4870 will push nvidia a fair bit (and i think thats the non x2 version)

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

^See Brad, someone understands and agrees...9 series = fail, especially the 9800GTX which gets 16fps in Crysis very high, and yet is newer, and mean't to replace the 8800GTX!, but does a worse job
Same price, newer, but worse performance, aimed at the same market, high end gamers...it will never fly as a good card.
9800GX2?
Well since there is no replacement 88Ultra, the GX2 has to be it, 32FPS Crysis Very High, slightly cheaper card (800 -900 compared to 1k+), aimed at the same market High end gamers, and shitty performance to what it SHOULD be...
The 98GX2 should handle Crysis EASILY at 40+FPS Very High, and could, easily, if nVidia started making decent GPU's, as it is, the 8 series of GPU's is low performance compared to where they should have been at.
The 9 series WILL NOT be good until the 9900GT or later, where it can rightfully own the title of a high end card for high end gamers, and whats more, it will be doing Crysis PISS EASY 40 - 50FPS Very High, Crysis on the 9900GT will be like BF2 on an 8800Ultra, basically not noticable.

All in all, the 8 series is a let down, as is the 9 series, only the 9 series is more of a let down because it was mean't to be the best of the best, so far, its nothing more then overclocked 8 series, all with a higher market aim

And Hardcore gamers can't rely on ATI to produce a decent GPU for gaming, not an affordable and performing one, the best they did was the X2, which was 10% faster then the 8800GT, which is the same as the 8800GTS 512MB G92, which is 20% slower then the 8800GTX, or 30% slower then the 8800Ultra, AND that was the best they could do!! to compete with the 8800GT, make it slightly faster...pft, OC my 8800GT by 200MHz each clock and I'll beat the 3870X2

@Brad
That PDF means NOTHING, those gamers arn't actual gamers that follow games since the very first article about it right through to the end.
Also notice how they are the most selling games, not most played

[Count_Chocu1a]

Its more about the game developer doing a better job at coding the game. With Crysis, it took community of modders to give us better optimization without sacrificing great graphics. Not Crytek.
You can't judge the true power of a card based on a poorly coded game. Try something optimized, like the GRID demo, or Half Life 2 ep.2, or Assassin's Creed.

[HavokSage]

But that is an Uber system.

You have the 2nd fastest Dual Core CPU in the world

A high end DX10 GPU

2GB of fast RAM

You do NOT have an "Average system" you have a gaming system.

[Weesals]

Originally Posted by HavokSage

But that is an Uber system.
You have the 2nd fastest Dual Core CPU in the world
A high end DX10 GPU
2GB of fast RAM
You do NOT have an "Average system" you have a gaming system.

Ive been trying to get that through to him for ages :\

Originally Posted by Sgt. D. Pilla

The 98GX2 should handle Crysis EASILY at 40+FPS Very High, and could, easily, if nVidia started making decent GPU's

I know! they are soo stupid, why dont they just push the little up arrow labeled "graphics card performance" and then sell it for a cheaper price? seems simple enough to me

Sgt. D. Pilla: from personal experience, the most played games are COD4, CS, UT, AOE2 and war3 mods in about that order
Crysis is an uber game, but not many people actualy play it, everyone i talk to says "it wont run on my system" (although it would if they lowered graphics :\)

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

@Havok, this system is a BASIC gaming system, it is in NO way High end or even average gaming...not yet atleast.
The GPU I have is crappy to what it should/could have been for the same price, if nVidia bothered trying, the 8800GT would have been awesomly more powerful for the same price.
Also, my Ram is average DDR2 speeds, almost everyone has the same speed ram as me, and whats more, its nothing special, its not gel, its not a 'gaming' brand like Corsair, it doesn't have heat sinks, its just default, DDR2 ram, normal ram, you have the same stuff to I'd say.
CPU is yeah, well, limited, I max out my CPU easy as piss, for the 2nd fastest Dual Core, it sure is slow lol.
Im upgrading to quad in a few months time.

@Brad, COD4, UT, CS, WoW, COH is what I'd put as the most played games, NO WAY is AOE2 in most played lol, I don't know anyone but you that plays that game still, and you play liquid war, which shows how gay you are lol

I do agree brad, it is very simple for nVidia to increase the GPU performance, if only they did it once in a while, I mean so far, the 9 series is the 8 series just with more features, its no faster, other then the 9800GX2, which is SLI G92, so i could SLI 8800GTS G92 or 8800GT and achieve the identical performance, for a cheaper price!

[Weesals]

According to Valve (Valve - Survey Summary Data) (who survey gamers)

Your RAM is average for gamers
Your CPU is above average for gamers
Video card is above average for gamers (as you have 512mb VRAM)
You are above average with PCIE 2x

so that rates your system as above the average gamer

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

lol, clearly you don't know any gamers, read like, most peoples PC specs around here, the wtf pwn my specs...
Besides, steam is gay and only surveys customers, and they don't excactly have the latest and greatest games to release on steam, latest I know about is Sins..
Also, going by steam, an 8800 is the average card, so its not above average, but only average

Anyways, point is, almost EVERY gamer on these forums *has a system for gaming, not a system they brought and try to play on* has a system that is WAAAAAY above mine

[Weesals]

8800 is the most average cards, but 512mb VRAM is above average, so together they put you at above average

anyway, i doubt there would be more than 5 games out that ur system cant run at > 40fps at 1024*768 (your current res?), and as Count_Chocu1a said, that would be due to the developers not optimizing as well as they couldve

[Sgt. D. Pilla]

average + average = average lol
Anyways, those steam surveys are crap rubbish, they survey people who buy their games (CS etc) most high end games don't come from steam