i have to say i love my wifi it saved me from using my 50 ft eathernet cable and i can close my door properly again. :love1:also for every one saying better games selection id like to pose a conundrum to ya

1. Better game selection is a matter of opinion and ill always take quality *lair, resistance, ninja gadin* over quantity*viva pinyata*

2. Keep in mind the 360 has been out for over a year longer than the ps3 and from the articals ive read game wise the ps3 is at the same point the 360 was at the same point in its lifetime

3. What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold? One's a sick duck and I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore.

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Force feedback?

Well removing it is a step backwards, not forwards. I didn't realize how much it actually sucked untill I tried it for myself.

For a "next gen" console, something as simple as force feedback shouldn't be a problem, but it is.

What like..play blu ray? And....play blu-ray?

W-O-W..that makes up for the total lack of games worth playing.

Resistance.. The game that could have been achieved on the Ps2 but with slightly better graphics?

Lair..A game that isn't even out yet? Yes, it looks beautiful..ish(if you don't count the fire, which is wank) but there's nothing in it that really excites me in terms of game play.


What I don't get is, the 360 you'll get great games faster, so why buy a Ps3, which doesn't have any real exclusives worth playing, and those that are only temporarily exclusive and will end up on the 360 like Unreal 3?

I don't get why you would buy one, other than for a blu-ray player, which is no better than HD-DVD other than a little bit more storage space.


A game not out yet, a dry fps with nothing new, and a port from the first xbox console. lol

Woo, viva pinyata. That game must mean all games on the 360 are the same.

So out of the three "quality" games you picked, you'd compare against the following which are only on the 360:

Gears of War
Halo 3
Mass Effect (bioware, it will be fantastic)
Bioshock
Forza 2
Crackdown
Blue Dragon
Dead Rising
Lost Planet
Splinter Cell 5
Project Gotham Racing 4
Rainbow 6
Saints Row
Too Human
Guitar Hero 2

To name a few.

The problem with PS3 is the lack of work developers are putting into the multi-platform games that are on PS3. I'm a huge Madden and NCAA Football fan, and it pains me to see a company with the resources like EA, totally fuck up on a game that, by all technical accounts, should run smoothly. Its just they decided to rush something without putting in the proper quality assurance for the sake of the all-mighty dollar (Madden is a cash cow, no doubts there). As for number of games, I'm being patient, waiting for releases like Warhawk, Lair, MGS4, Gran Turismo 5, and a slew of others. Patience is the key. We're being patient for games, while 360 owners had to be patient for manufacturing quality. I didn't mind spending the $600+ (traded in a bunch of games for a discount) on my PS3, and I'm unemployed, I paid for a quality item from a company that hasn't failed me in the past (had a PS1 for years and a PS2, neither had any faults or fuck-ups and rewarded me with so many memorable gaming moments).

exactly the same case with me. God brings me back to the days of legend of the dragoon, and crash team racing

Oh yea, I might just break those two out and pop them in the PS3 right now. I just gotta get me some new copies of some old classics, like the original MGS, Front Mission 3, Chrono Cross and a whole bunch of others.

If they recreate MGS for the PS3, then I would hsve to buy a PS3 just for that!

I find that pretty naive.

Nintendo has been a top quality producer for a long-time, minus the creation of the Gamecube which wasn't as good as it's predecessors or the generation it was a part of in my opinion. Metroid, Mario, Super Smash Bros. Yes, they are a old titles that we do see often, but that is what makes Nintendo, simply, Nintendo. They are icons for the company and sell games pretty well.

But you also have new titles on there, Red Steel, The Call of Duty series is making an appearance, there is diversity on there.

Yes? The movies look good? Well done. The fact is, Dvd's are still very much in swing, Blue-Ray will not take off for a while yet, and at the moment the technology does nothing except allow a higher capacity on it's discs and a much prettier resolution for movies. Something Sony has failed considerably to take advantage of.

So it is an accessory not a necessity. That doesn't answer my question though, how many people do you actually think make use of Blue Ray? What devices other than mobile phones make a strong use of the system at this point in time?

Wi-Fi is possibly the only thing I can agree on you with here. But then when you take a look at the PS3's online service... kinda defeats itself.

1. Yes it is a matter of opinion, but of course quality over quantity. Always. But guess what? The 360 combines both of those. Brilliant titles, and there are lots of them. How many titles has the PS3 had cancelled due to the difficulty of actually coding them for the system? You want a list? I'll gladly tell you some. Resistence was good yes. But it's the only game I'd consider so that is exclusive the PS3.

2. Wait. Do you know why was the 360 out a year later? Sony's shoddy marketing and crappy production line. And what you have read is wrong, PS3 sales are still far behind that of the 360, and most definitely far behind the Wii.

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Thats a photo of one of Sony's PS3 launch sites. Funny that, I don't see many people.

3. What.. the.. fuck..?

Do.. you even know what you are talking about?

Let's start with the Cell Processor. One of the reasons people claim Sony's Grill is better is because of this little piece of hardware, the cell processor. Guess why so many games were cancelled or came out poor for the PS3? This bastard piece of the machine was too hard for developers to program their games for. Here are some examples (correct me if I'm wrong, but have proof);

• Smackdown Vs. Raw 2007
• Thesis
• Killing Day
• Endless Saga
• NBA Live
• Splinter Cell: Double Agent

And that's just a few. This is not only due to the fact the system is too hard to program for, but because the cost of development is much, much higher. This doesn't even allow small developers to create games for the PS3. This is a fact confirmed by Bloomberg who had a deep investigation into the PS3.. here is a quote;

This means of course, hundreds of games that could have been available from third class developers will NOT be available for the PS3. Atari has also stated that it will not be producing any(more) games for the system.

It is true that the cell processor in the PS3 is superior to the 3 other processors the Xbox 360 has, but thanks to the platforms low memory recourses and limited bandwidth, the console can't use it's hardware to it's full ability.

Now let's take a look at the Blue-Ray disc.

Many people are saying that Blue-Ray will replace current Dvd's, much like how CD's replaced Cassettes all those years ago. Yet at the moment, the price of a Blue Ray player is too insanely high for that to even come near happening.

Unlike the HD DVD players Blue-Ray will have little support from the community. If you want to watch a specific movie that isn't in Blue-Ray format, when then you're a little screwed.

Sony's reputations with formats is atrocious. Anyone remember the UMD discs for the PSP? They never got much support from the movie industry now did they? And hell, does anyone even remember 7 years ago when they released Betamax? A massive failure due to it's expense and lack of support.

Blue-Ray discs are the reason why games will cost $20 - $30 more than the Xbox's games. The reason for this is that Blue-Ray discs cost a lot more to produce, and you don't need an extra useless 25GB for a videogame anyways.

And to round it off, Blue-Ray is already losing the war, with HD DVD already owning exclusive support from companies such as HBO, Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, New Line and others.

Last but not least, The Graphics Card.

Now the PS3 has Nvidia's RSX while the 360 has ATI's Xenos.
The Xenos has proven to be superior due to unified shaders, Edrome support and the support of Direct X 10, but also because the 360 has unified memory.. This means that the 360 is able to dedicate more memory for graphics than anything else, the result is a larger and more realise texture the PS3 won't see.

Because the PS3 invests too much memory in other things, the amount left for graphics is considerably small. While the Xbox 360 invests up to 490mb of the stuff, the PS3 only has 256, a rather small amount. Also, the PS3's RSX card doesn't support eDRAM or Unified Shaders, the graphics results will look similar to a high end DirectX 9 card.

Then you have other crap like the games available at better prices, amount of exclusive titles, the online services between the two, you get the idea.

Like I said, I'm not out to say you should buy a 360 and burn your PS3, but through my research and opinions, the Xbox 360 is a far better gaming machine for quality and services.

Oh, and, no one mention the Red ring of death, that has been fixed long ago, and Microsoft has been tremendous effort into fixing any problems people had.

Cheers if you read all of that. I hope you did.

Id like to touch upon the Nintendo angle. The only point in history in which Nintendo dominated a console market was during the 80's and VERY early 90's. Partly because they were the only ones on the field. When Sega ramped up during the early 90's Nintendo saw its home market share slide and it has ever since. They havent even been a force worth reckoning with since the SNES. The N64 was a terrible system. The gamecube did poorly, and the Wii is suffering from lack of quality games. So far, the Wii has evolved into a machine catered towards very casual non-gamers and as a result will suffer further down the road as less and less 'gamers games' are developed for it. outside of a few IP's that nintendo has been whoring since time forgotten (legend of zelda, yet another mario). Same thing happened to the GC.

To say BluRay will not take off for awhile yet is drastically neglecting the fact that it already HAS taken off. Blu-Ray DVD's are released in over a 3-1 ratio to Hd-DVD's and as the format matures and HD entertainment hits saturation (market penetration is 'only' at 20% according to ZDI) it will only become stronger. in retrospect, it took longer for DVD's to become as popular versus the VHS than it is currently taking Blu-ray to begin out pacing DVD.

How many people make use of Blu-Ray? A damn fucking lot apparently. The market is money driven, if your not making money, nobody makes the format (see BETA for more). EVERYONE who has a PS3 is buying BluRay. Why? because they can. BLu Ray dvd's are being released at an equal footing with regular dvd's in terms of movie releases so somebody sure as hell is buying and watching them. 3rd generation players are currently being released and retail has gone from $1000 to around $500. Whether you like it or not, or even care. Bluray is becoming very successful.


The argument became moot when you claimed however that bluray was a Sony derived format. This automatically indicates you dont know what your talking about further supported by your statement that Bluray has no 'community support'. Bluray is ENTIRELY community derived and at no point was developed by Sony at all. The community im assuming you meant that wasnt supporting Bluray apparently doesnt include:

• Apple
• Dell
• Hitachi
• LG
• Mitsubishi Electric
• Panasonic
• Pioneer
• Philips
• Samsung
• Sharp
• Sony
• Sun Microsystems
• TDK
• Thomson
• Twentieth Century Fox
• Walt Disney Company
• Warner Bros.

Or basically, the corporations that are responsible for about 95% of the viewing media on this planet. So on one hand, Sony is onboard with a HUGE list of corporations directly responsible for the management and production of media and their choice of format, yet in the same breath you claim their propriety formats get no support. A somewhat true claim giving the failure of UMD but considering major studios continue to use BETAmax and it had always remained the preferred video editing format.

If you believe HD-DVD is beating bluray, then your either badly misinformed. or your a fool. as ive said, Bluray DVDs are released in a 3 to 1 ratio to HD-DVD's. Large domestic chains are switching to bluray exclusively (target, walmart) Blockbuster doesnt even offer HD-DVD anymore and yet you still believe that with the advantages of studio support, business support, and customer support, that HD-DVD will do anything but fade away is sad

Why did people stop using VHS and started watching DVD? It's still video right?

Remember that we were stuck with Zone 4 DVD on a PAL format, which in terms of everyone else, is ridiculous. Half our bloody zone is shared with NTSC, which noone else in the world has to deal with. So we were late with DVD, because the cost was higher having to produce exclusively for Aussie and NZ. Likewise, we're a bit behind with HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

Hey Woris I just came and read your first post about how you fear the PS exclusive games becoming Xbox exclusive games and what not and you mentioned DMC4, well I can tell you all if not already mentioned, Square Enix the game company that put Sony so high up in the console wars of yesterday has left sony and come over to Microsoft's side, so really all the incredible games like FF, resident evil and such will be xbox games, as I can tell there is only really 2 things that are keeping people watching the PS3, Heavenly Sword, and of course Metal Gear 4. I strongly advise you get a 360, but not just any try for a 360 elite if you can, almost all the bugs including the "overheating" problem have pretty much been fixed by this new version, the Xbox has a big variety a games as opposed to the 2 or 3 that are selling the PS3, and the variety is only getting bigger, if you didn't watch E3 this year there are some truly amazing games coming out in the next 2 years or so for the 360, whats Sony got? pretty much the same crap from last year, DMC4 should still be a Sony game though on account that it is from Capcom, but I believe its gonna go multi platform because Sony just isn't making enough money, and Capcom will not lose as much because they wanna stay "loyal", simply put man go with with microsoft , oh and Xbox live, you get a whole year of online play for a payment of $50 o__0, I personally believe that Sony may never sell the PS3 the way they did the PS2, simply because they put too much into it, face it guys we don't buy a game console made for games, for the purpose of entertaining us with games, for blue ray movie watching ability, though it says there will be hugely long games because of it, I ask you, where are they? plus the price tag on it, $600 and they won;t kick you a $15 usb cable.....you just paid over 600 bucks for it! now they are making you pay another 15 for a a cable and additional crap, just don't do it, go with the xbox, oh and the Wii is good, I own one to, but sadly it is moslty comprised of party games, and crossovers that already exist no real great games, so again Xbox has this in the bag