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Roaming East August 15th, 2007 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac2pointO (Post 3860392)
Hey Woris I just came and read your first post about how you fear the PS exclusive games becoming Xbox exclusive games and what not and you mentioned DMC4, well I can tell you all if not already mentioned, Square Enix the game company that put Sony so high up in the console wars of yesterday has left sony and come over to Microsoft's side, so really all the incredible games like FF, resident evil and such will be xbox games,

That why the next Final Fantasy is a PS3 exclusive? Strike one. Well, that and resident evil is a capcom game...also coming out for PS3.


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Originally Posted by Isaac2pointO (Post 3860392)
if you didn't watch E3 this year there are some truly amazing games coming out in the next 2 years or so for the 360, whats Sony got? pretty much the same crap from last year

Right, because neither the Wii nor the PS3 have any big games coming out for the next two years. Same crap? the next 'big game' for Xbox is a 3rd game of an average shooter.




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Originally Posted by Isaac2pointO (Post 3860392)
DMC4 should still be a Sony game though on account that it is from Capcom, but I believe its gonna go multi platform because Sony just isn't making enough money

That and because it was initially announced the game was going to be available for the PS3, 360, and PC. No big secret there.

The rest of what you said was pretty much wrong all around so i wont bother ripping into it.
This is what im talking about when i say people get on forums and fill the place up with either blatantly wrong misinformation, or garbage they speculate on the spot without knowing anything about it.

SteVen August 15th, 2007 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3860517)
the next 'big game' for Xbox is a 3rd game of an average shooter.

Actually Bioshock (coming out August 21st) should be pretty big. The demo on XBL is absolutely amazing.

I said this in another thread but I must say again. I saw a Blu-Ray and a HD DvD video one after the other on the same 61" DLP 1080P Television and let me tell you if you can tell a difference in the quality of the picture you should get a one big ass cookie cause I sure as hell couldnt..neither any of my friends. Blu-Ray to my opinion is basically bragging rights.

Though Blu-Ray picture Quality is no where near the $500 worth you pay for one of there players, the 50GB space on the disc is its greatest strength. I'm sure PS3 will have many MMORPG's in the future because of this.

Mad Cat MkII August 15th, 2007 09:22 PM

well the big diff between blue-ray and HD DVD is one HD DVD is not in 1080 i believe, and frankly the only commercial ive seen for an HD DVD is 300 which is also in blue-ray while ive seen tons of other adds for blue-ray o andI saac2pointO i have no idea what your talking about cus my ps3 deff came with a usb cable

Roaming East August 15th, 2007 09:23 PM

I agree completely. The difference, picture wise between HD-DVD and Bluray is so miniscule it might as well not exist. The graphical difference between the 2 consoles in terms of games is practically dead even when developers actually take advantage of the systems power.

There are a number of games on the 360 i am eagerly awaiting Bioshock among them (hell i still play the shiat out of dead rising, one my favs of all time.)

Lyon August 16th, 2007 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3860517)
That why the next Final Fantasy is a PS3 exclusive? Strike one. Well, that and resident evil is a capcom game...also coming out for PS3.

Neither of which are exclusive to the Ps3 anymore. Resident Evil 5 is definitely on the Xbox 360, and the next FF is likely to be as well, seeing as Square Enix announced that it won't be a Ps3 exclusive anyway.


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Right, because neither the Wii nor the PS3 have any big games coming out for the next two years. Same crap? the next 'big game' for Xbox is a 3rd game of an average shooter.
The "average shooter" being on of the best FPS games ever made? Yeah, funny how Ps3 will offer Killzone 2 as an alternative: a sequel to a shit shooter (it's highest was 7/10 from gamespot I believe).

And no, the next big game is Bioshock(another great fps the Ps3 doesn't get to see). Followed by Halo 3 and Army of 2.



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The rest of what you said was pretty much wrong all around so i wont bother ripping into it.
This is what im talking about when i say people get on forums and fill the place up with either blatantly wrong misinformation, or garbage they speculate on the spot without knowing anything about it.
This coming from someone who said Halo was an "average shooter". Funny.

You didn't buy the console, you bought the brand. Which is exactly what Sony was hoping people like you would do when their marketing went down the shitter and they lost all their decent exclusive titles.


I like how you brush everything everyone has said to you off to one side as "misinformation" or "wrong" because you can't argue the points.

Facts don't cease to exist just because they are ignored.

-=[Ranek]=- August 16th, 2007 06:24 AM

At the moment i think its too early to jduge which is better because of the fact that the Xbox has a years head start so its had more time for games to be developed and for developers to get to grips with the system.

Roaming East August 16th, 2007 06:35 AM

Whats to argue? Killzone isnt anything special, neither was Halo. Halo became successful because it had excellent multiplayer especially in a dorm environment. It was easy to learn, easy to play. But truthfully, it didnt add anything the FPS community hadnt already either seen or been doing for the past few years anyway. It made repeated use of the same textures and had 'blah' AI. Halo 2 was probably the most overhyped game of its time but thats a personal opinion. Just because obnoxious 9 year olds love playing the shiat out of a game doesnt mean the game is some ground breaking masterpiece of genre defining excellence.

In regards to exclusivity, nobody said Final Fantasy XIII was going to be exclusive..oh wait, yes it is. to the PS3. maybe Final Fantasy XIV will be for the 360...considering the Xbox complete lack of success whatsoever in Japan and Square-enix' vast Japanese library, this isnt exactly a sure thing. i wouldnt hold my breath.

And everybody has known Resident evil 5 was going to be cross platform. That was announced the minute the teaser trailer was announced so dont act like its exclusive to ANY console. Misinformation is misinformation. If its blatantly wrong the point doesnt have to be argued because the truth is easy to find out on your own. If however you need me to baby step you through the process:
Final Fantasy series IGN: Final Fantasy XIII Preview
Resident Evil 5 IGN: New Resident Evil 5 Details

You got anything else you want to add?

Mad Cat MkII August 16th, 2007 07:59 AM

you know i enjoyed killzone quite a bit. Halo i found to be a standard shooter where you just ran and shoot with strategy minimal, ridiculously easy AI. Now with killzone it was one of the first shooters where i actually have to use cover if i don't want to die in 5 secs and with smart AI where one would draw your fire while 3 others would sneak around behind you and shoot you. Why halo is the fav ill never know

Lyon August 16th, 2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3861167)
Whats to argue? Killzone isnt anything special, neither was Halo. Halo became successful because it had excellent multiplayer

The first Halo only had LAN player untill it hit the PC with a rather sad port. Actually Halo was the first game to have the carry 2-weapons-only mechanic, aswell as the overshield/health mechanic aswell. Both of these you can see in alot of FPS today, with player health being used the same as the overshield. So no it wasn't the multiplayer that made Halo successfull. It was actually a good game.

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It made repeated use of the same textures and had 'blah' AI.
Some of the best AI you could find at the time, same with the textures. Don't make me laugh.

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Halo 2 was probably the most overhyped game of its time but thats a personal opinion. Just because obnoxious 9 year olds love playing the shiat out of a game doesnt mean the game is some ground breaking masterpiece of genre defining excellence.
Wasn't as good as Halo, but was still damned good game. I could apply the same logic to why you bought the Ps3.

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In regards to exclusivity, nobody said Final Fantasy XIII was going to be exclusive..oh wait, yes it is. to the PS3.
And where did you hear that?

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Maybe Final Fantasy XIV will be for the 360...considering the Xbox complete lack of success whatsoever in Japan and Square-enix' vast Japanese library
Ugh, no one in the west gives 2 shits about how well consoles do in Japan. The Japanese love Nintendo's cartoon games and hate FPS action. What's funny though is that Ps2's are outselling Ps3's in Japan.

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And everybody has known Resident evil 5 was going to be cross platform.
Exactly, so you felt the need to point it out in the first place because..?

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Misinformation is misinformation.
Hahaha, looks who's talking!

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If its blatantly wrong the point doesnt have to be argued because the truth is easy to find out on your own.
You should try listening to yourself once in a while.

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Final Fantasy series IGN: Final Fantasy XIII Preview
Resident Evil 5 IGN: New Resident Evil 5 Details

You got anything else you want to add?

Yes. Those two links don't mean anything. What's your point here?

The final fantasy one says "It will be appearing on the Ps3". Well..who would have expected that when you're reading an article in the PS3 SECTION on IGN?

Nothing about it being exclusive to the Ps3 is mentioned as far as I can see.

Mad Cat MkII August 16th, 2007 08:46 AM

you know for all you people complaining about the price and how HD DVD > Blue-Ray let me just say this. To even be able to play HD DVD you need to buy the drive for $180, now lets pare this cost with the system cus this is always one of the first things bought and ushully at the same time you buy the system

Xbox 360 Core System (which some stores dont even carry any more) - $280
HD DVD player - $180
total - $460

Xbox 360 Pro - $350
HD DVD player - $180
total - $530

Halo 3 Limited Edition Xbox 360 - $400
HD DVD player - $180
total - 580

Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite - $450
HD DVD player - $180
total - $630

as you can see it adds up quickly and thats with out live, the bigger hard drive or any other add ons so i say whats the cheaper system now

Lyon August 16th, 2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3861388)


Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite - $450
HD DVD player - $180
total - $630

The Elite comes with a HD DVD player already doesn't it?

Mad Cat MkII August 16th, 2007 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeRoNiTe (Post 3861433)
The Elite comes with a HD DVD player already doesn't it?

not acording to the list of fetures on the ebgames site
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Originally Posted by ebgames elite fetures
* Contains:
- Microsoft XBOX 360 Elite console
- 120 GB Hard drive
- black wireless controller
- HD AV cable
- ethernet network cable
- black wired XBOX Live headset
- black faceplate
- XBOX Live Silver service FREE, plus 30 days of Gold Service FREE

* THE NEXT GENERATION BEGINS
Always connected, always personalized, and always in high definition

* FAST AND SMART
The IBM CPU consists of three 3.2GHz cores

* HARD DRIVE
A 120GB hard drive

* GRAPHICS
A custom ATI graphics chip drives ultrarealistic HD entertainment

* WIRELESS
Up to four bi-directional wireless controllers means no more cords

* PLUG AND PLAY
Standard USB ports let you plug in your digital entertainment devices or controllers

* MOVIES
Progressive- scan DVD playback is standard with every unit

* FACES
Personalize your console with changeable faceplates

* RING OF LIGHT
The circle of lights flashes to indicate status in games and when you are online

* MEMORY UNITS
Plug. Copy. Go. Take your gamertag, your saved games and your content with you


Roaming East August 16th, 2007 09:40 AM

Mine didnt but at the time i didnt care, my roomie has a PS3 and bluray>HD-DVD anyway.

SteVen August 16th, 2007 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3861388)
you know for all you people complaining about the price and how HD DVD > Blue-Ray let me just say this. To even be able to play HD DVD you need to buy the drive for $180, now lets pare this cost with the system cus this is always one of the first things bought and ushully at the same time you buy the system

Xbox 360 Core System (which some stores dont even carry any more) - $280
HD DVD player - $180
total - $460

Xbox 360 Pro - $350
HD DVD player - $180
total - $530

Halo 3 Limited Edition Xbox 360 - $400
HD DVD player - $180
total - 580

Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite - $450
HD DVD player - $180
total - $630

as you can see it adds up quickly and thats with out live, the bigger hard drive or any other add ons so i say whats the cheaper system now

All 360's from Core to Elite wont play HD DvD's, yes, but they all are a Proggressive Scan DVD player which is pretty much the same quality as HD DVD, again you won't notice a difference in Video quality from Progressive Scan, HD DVD, or Blu-Ray unless you got a magnifying glass to your TV screen. And the $450 Elite comes with the bigger 120GB HD. So no reason to "Add-on".

To tell you the truth though, my 20GB HD has been suiting me fine. I own about 10 Games, have over 20 TV show episodes, 4 Demos, and 15 Arcade games with still 4GB left over. I really see no use for 120GB HD unless your some idiot who wants to blow every penny he has on every single downloadable content out there on XBL possible.

I believe people base HD DVD and Blu-Ray off of video quality when probably a good 3/4 of them have only seen one of the two and instantley thinks the one that they viewed is better. What it really boils down too is not the video quality but how much memory these things can actually hold. Where Blu-Ray strives right now with up to 50GB.

WindowsVistaGeek19 August 18th, 2007 08:50 PM

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All 360's from Core to Elite wont play HD DvD's, yes, but they all are a Proggressive Scan DVD player which is pretty much the same quality as HD DVD, again you won't notice a difference in Video quality from Progressive Scan, HD DVD, or Blu-Ray unless you got a magnifying glass to your TV screen. And the $450 Elite comes with the bigger 120GB HD. So no reason to "Add-on".
You might see a bit better image quality with the Blu-Ray or HD DVD drives over the progressive scanner without use of any magnification methods. But overall, I really don't think it's worth the price to get the Blu-Ray or HD DVD drive for that small improvement.

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I believe people base HD DVD and Blu-Ray off of video quality when probably a good 3/4 of them have only seen one of the two and instantley thinks the one that they viewed is better.
That is more true than you could imagine.

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What it really boils down too is not the video quality but how much memory these things can actually hold. Where Blu-Ray strives right now with up to 50GB.
Floppy drives FTW!

sbmayle August 23rd, 2007 08:48 PM

if u aint already decided and i hope u aint but u got to go for the 360 why?
simple 360 cost less around £350, £5 a month to play online graphic are way better, big selection of games Microsoft make both 360 and computer so u get most of the pc games on the 360. Go on gamespot website and u will see they have gotten the same game for the ps3 and 360 and compared the graphics ps3 looks good but they have done to much with lighting made it to bright the 360 looks way better.

Giz August 23rd, 2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3855645)
online is free and i don't see any company charging for it any time in the future.

One word. Home.

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3855645)
and after the price drop and trading in my old ps2 and 14 ps2 games with plenty left over that i could have traded in i actually paid less for my PS3 and i still have the extra controllers, online, and I'm up to 4 games.

Grats. Thats almost the entire PS3 library right there. ;) (I'm teasing)


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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3858366)
The market is money driven, if your not making money, nobody makes the format (see BETA for more).

Speaking of beta.

Beta - more superior than VHS (or so some said)
Blue Ray - more superior than HD-DVD (or so some say)
Beta - defeated in 1988 by VHS.
Blue Ray - ********************* (will history repeat itself?)

Time will tell. :nodding:

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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3860517)
If you believe HD-DVD is beating bluray, then your either badly misinformed. or your a fool. as ive said, Bluray DVDs are released in a 3 to 1 ratio to HD-DVD's.

2:1 or 9:2 or... depends on which site/statistics you read. According to VideoScan the cumulative number of Blu-ray titles sold since the format's inception is at 844,000 units, versus HD DVD at 708,600.

As all sites/stats have reported with their, err, report, it's still too early in the game to declare a winner.


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Originally Posted by Roaming East (Post 3860517)
That why the next Final Fantasy is a PS3 exclusive? Strike one.

FF13 and it's addon (FF13 Versus) are, at this moment, exclusive to the PS3. Since it's release is TBC 2008, this gives plenty of time for contracts to be re-written. Hell there might not even be an official contract yet, it might be in talking. We'll see what happens.

Sqaure Enix as a company however, isn't PS3 exclusive.

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3860638)
well the big diff between blue-ray and HD DVD is one HD DVD is not in 1080 i believe

Of course it supports 1080p. What would the point be of 'HDDVD' without it?? HDDVD supports 720p, 1080i and 1080p.
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Originally Posted by ZeRoNiTe (Post 3861123)
Neither of which are exclusive to the Ps3 anymore. Resident Evil 5 is definitely on the Xbox 360, and the next FF is likely to be as well, seeing as Square Enix announced that it won't be a Ps3 exclusive anyway.

In my opinion PS3 can have all the FF games. Let them brag and dance and prance and hold up the exclusive signs - I'll be 'pretending' to give a rats ass. ;)

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Originally Posted by madcatmach2 (Post 3861297)
you know i enjoyed killzone quite a bit. Halo i found to be a standard shooter where you just ran and shoot with strategy minimal, ridiculously easy AI. Now with killzone it was one of the first shooters where i actually have to use cover if i don't want to die in 5 secs and with smart AI where one would draw your fire while 3 others would sneak around behind you and shoot you.

Halo and Killzone should not be compared to on any levels. I don't know why the hell it was advertised as the 'Halo killer' before it was released. I honestly believe that was one of it's biggest issues. It claimed success before it was even released. That was a terrible marking plot and I hope the people behind it never try to market a video game again...

Killzone was OK. I can't rate is as I only played the demo but in my opinion it looked and sounded awesome. The controls and gameplay were no different from the next shooter but the story and the theme and even the environment was impressive to me. I didn't go beyond that because I was already playing a shooter, Halo.

Halo was a great online game. I'm not going to try and compare the two because even though they're both shooters, they're not on the same LvL.

Oh, but you could duck and cover in both of them and they are both standard shooters. :lol:

@wordisbond - the best advice I can give you in your search for a console to purchase is to do your own research, take your time. In the console world, most of the time you're going to get in between fanboys and it will leave you right where you started with the same questions.

Good luck none the less. :D

Mad Cat MkII August 24th, 2007 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gizmo (Post 3878139)
One word. Home.


Grats. Thats almost the entire PS3 library right there. ;) (I'm teasing)

ik but from what ive seen theres quite an impressive amount of games comeing out real soon
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Originally Posted by gizmo (Post 3878139)
Of course it supports 1080p. What would the point be of 'HDDVD' without it?? HDDVD supports 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

see i was under the impression that it was only 720, got it. well as of now from what ive seen blue ray is selling 2:1 to HD and is backed by more companies. and ya gizmo's right pick the one that suits you better. though one thing i do like is the fact hear at FF theres a big enough community of 360 players u have your own online group going. wish that was the case with ps3 though i haven't checked other sites and from what i can tell over at nuclearpower.com ps3 is more popular so maby i can get some gaming buds there

Flodgy August 24th, 2007 03:24 PM

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ik but from what ive seen theres quite an impressive amount of games comeing out real soon
Having an impressive line-up doesn't mean shit. Look at the PS3's past record, so many games have been canceled or shifted over to the 360 or PC it's ridiculous. Don't ever judge something over "what might happen", all you're doing is allowing a fatal flaw of the unknown to happen.

ericjr September 15th, 2007 04:12 AM

Get what you want. I myself have gone w/Sony for 12 years now. Quite simply sony has always kept their fan/consumer base in mind when going next gen. all yes(100%) of my games have worked 100% on next gen. I have a PS1 in the closet , 3 PS2`s in use and 1 PS3 in use and the ps3 is awesome!!! Given the same amt. of time that the 360 has been available Sony will once again Dominate the industry.Also alot of my ps2 game perform and look much much better on the PS3. I play rpg,racing,shooter etc. etc.example:NFS HP2. Just my opinion but previous stats don`t lie!!! let time be my witness.


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