A really obvious anachronism!

[Lt. Leroy]

Why is this important, Fredf?

I find your posts rather silly and irrelevant. Stop picking out all these details. I'd back you 100% if you commented on for example a weapon being used in the game, when in fact it wasn't used during the Normandy campaign, or some sort of major historical inaccuracy...but this, really. You're obiviously a smart person - do something more productive with your time.

[Malistair]

Speaking of weapons....wasn't the MP44 not put into widespread use until much later after the normandy campaign? I only remember seeing it used in the Battle of the Bulge at the earliest.

"In July 1944 at a meeting of the various army heads about the Eastern Front, when Hitler asked what they needed, a general blurted out "More of these new rifles!" This caused some confusion, but once Hitler was given a chance to test fire the MP44, he was impressed and gave it the title Sturmgewehr. Seeing the possibility of a propaganda win, the rifle was again renamed as the StG44, to highlight the new class of weapon it represented, literally "assault rifle, model 1944", thereby introducing the term.

By the end of the war, some 425,977 StG44 variants of all types were produced. The assault rifle proved an invaluable weapon, especially on the Eastern front, where it was first deployed. A properly trained soldier with an StG44 had a greatly improved tactical repertoire, in that he could effectively engage targets at longer ranges than with an MP40, but be much more useful than the K98k in close range urban fighting, as well as provide light cover fire like an light machine gun."

-Quote from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44"

Seeing as only 425,000 of them were made and most deployed to the eastern front AFTER the July 1944 testing date it seems hard to consider that the Sturmgewehr was in use in normandy. The prototypes (MP42-MP43) were deemed top secret and not issued to soldiers.....if anyone tries to throw the earlier models at me. Anyone know any different?

[tharulerme]

Yeah but then almost every ww2 game is unrealistic.

For example in Cod2 on Pointe du Hoc, soldier's with mp44 as well.

[Fredf]

Originally Posted by Lt. Leroy

Why is this important, Fredf?

In the grand scheme of things, nothing is important, this game is not important. But if you're going to place importance on this game then I believe you have to then give some level of importance to detail otherwise you have a piece of crap game that nobody will buy. In otherwords, if something is worth doing, it's worth doing right! I think this is a generally accepted principal, n'est-ce pas? So, the importance of this little trivial item is that the use of the word "suck" in this time and place is completely and utterly inappropriate. That was my point, and if you think it's silly, that's certainly your prerogative. You're entitled. But it's a flaw in an otherwise terrific game and since this forum is specifically created for the purpose of pointing out such flaws I thought I might use my God-given right to do so. Does that meet with your approval?? If it doesn't, I'm afraid you have no recourse because I'll continue to post whatever I feel needs to be posted. You may continue to post counterpoints as you see fit. I do so love snappy repartee between forum members.

[Lt. Leroy]

Everyone is intitled to their opinion, I'm not here to argue with you. This did get me thinking, if you like paying attention to detail, does this mean other aspects of the game are flawless? I think far from it, and I just wondered if we could have your input in more important matters. I think its a brilliant game anyway, best RTS by far for a long time.

[tharulerme]

Let's simply finish this argument with that NOTHING can be perfect . Relic already made the best RTS by making CoH, so if there are only a couple bugs and it's still rated high will explain how awesome this game is.

But modders would probably be smart enough to edit it in the future.

[Malistair]

I agree...the game is the best I have ever seen. I hope the trend continues and we see a nice chain of additional content both official and unofficial. Also did anyone look the word up? Cuz if not I want to see LT and Fred go at it.

[Fredf]

Hey folks, I was just stating a fact, not trying to start World War III. The usage of the word was out of time and place. It's that damned simple. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with me, although that would show that you don't understand the issue at all, and you also don't have to believe it, but the fact remains, that it is a fact. It's not a hypothesis, a question, a poll or anything else. I'm stating a fact. NOBODY ON PLANET EARTH IN 1944 WOULD EVER SAY "THIS COFFEE SUCKS" THAT SLANG WAS SIMPLY NOT PART OF THE VERNACULAR OF ANY LANGUAGE ON THE PLANET PERIOD - END OF DISCUSSION.

I"m not here to fight with you guys. I'm just trying to offer intelligent criticism of what we all seem to agree is an otherwise terrific damned game. What is this forum for if not to do just that? Perhaps I missed the meaning of the title of the forum. Or maybe you all did??

As I've told at least one other member of this forum. I don't suffer fools well. But I don't put out bullshit either. If I say something on the forum, it's because I know it to be absolute fact, from experience or from some other source. I don't run my mouth before engaging my brain. I know whereof I speak. I've got a LOT of experience in life in military matters, in combat, in software, in game design, in software development, and in a lot of other things, so I'm not some ignorant newbie freak that just fell of the turnip truck. Unless you can back up what you're saying with experience or documentation, don't say it because you'll just open yourself up for a barrage from me.

[Malistair]

Well Fred here is the problem. No one can determine for absolute certain what was or was not part of the vernacular of any time. The fact is, perhaps the only one about spoken languages, is that the vernacular constantly evolves. It is entirely possible to see "sucks" as part of someone's speach in 1944. Also, words like suck are considered slang and not part of the vernacular anyway. I have taken it upon myself to research this and see what I come up with.

Also, its great that you worked with microsoft and the military for however long you say you did. Thanks for your service....but do not rub it in people's faces with a smug arrogance about you. Its not what you intend but it comes of as pompous and arrogant. Stop flaunting your experience....its great that you have it but not everyone else does. So give us newbs a chance....and lets all get along.

[Fredf]

You are a MORON and clueless to boot. Of course everyone in the civilized world in 1944 was using the word "suck" and "sucks" in their everyday conversation. Haven't you read the GODDAMNED thread! Suction was a concept. I get that. All God's children get that. The two Germans in the foxhole get that.

The use of the word "sucks" in this context is a slang usage. The reason we all know this is because there is no possible way that coffee in and of itself can possibly perform the act of sucking, now can it? So, since it cannot "suck" the dictionary definition of which is "to draw in as if by suction" it must therefore be the slang definition which is "to be objectionable or inadequate". Do we agree on that point?????

If we agree on that point, then I think I can safely say without equivocation, that NOBODY ON THE PLANET WAS USING THAT SLANG IN 1944, CERTAINLY NOT THE GERMANS AND NOT THE AMERICANS OR THE BRITS and since we have quite a large number of those nationalities still living from that era why don't you get your loser ass off your computer and go out and actually ask some of those people if they ever heard that expression before it was uttered by some member of your slacker generation.