Removal of Fleet Operations mod and prohibited upload of the 1.2 game patch

[kel333]

I agree with your sentiment, Dontai, but you should realize the staff's reasons aren't motivated by anything other than protecting the integrity of the FF network. THEY have rules because they're accountable for any misconduct on the site.

It's not about politics, personal views, or modmongering. It's simply about following the rules. If they break them (even for a dead EULA that'll probably never be missed by the progenitors) the network is liable. It's not a risk any of us want to take, I think? Am I right? Anyone want to jeopardize this site for a few new mods?

So, to sum up, whatever the staff decide is, I'm sure, a considered opinion guarantying the integrity of, and our continued access to, this wonderful Star Trek and Sci-Fi community. Nuff said?

[Dontai]

Agreed. I no i came off bit harsh, but i think rule are ment to be broken once and while and ant like any one going to care about this any way. sound like a waisted breath.

[Icewolf132]

What I really want to know is...why is everyone making such a big stink about it? Is FO being removed from FF really that big of a deal? Can you still grab it from FO's site? Or am I just missing a bigger picture?

Oh yes, I agree that rules are meant to be broken once and a while...but it's very hard to do when you're boss's boss does care about them, in short the owner of FileFront.

And just because something isn't supported any more doesn't mean you won't get sued by breaching the EULA, look at the world as it is today; you can get sued for hanging a wreath outside .

[Knight-2000]

Originally Posted by Icewolf132

What I really want to know is...why is everyone making such a big stink about it? Is FO being removed from FF really that big of a deal? Can you still grab it from FO's site? Or am I just missing a bigger picture?

And just because something isn't supported any more doesn't mean you won't get sued by breaching the EULA, look at the world as it is today; you can get sued for hanging a wreath outside .

i have to agree, why is its removal such a big deal?
FF still reports on progress with the FO mod - it still appears in the list of mods, and there is a link to the fleet ops site where it is available for download, its essentially a matter of following a trail to get the mod. if someone wants to play it, they will follow the trail to do so. if they dont wish to play FO, they won't, its that simple.

Fleet Ops is a very well done mod, one i enjoy playing and yes it would be nice for it to still be here. maybe it will be again someday depending on progress with joel an freyrs discussion with upper management, or if Fleet Ops manage to rework the mod in a way that doesnt contravene the EULA (regardless of how dead it is or isn't) as Doca claims is now the case for the 1.2 patch. but right now, it apparently cant be hosted due to the rules, and we have to live with that.

I dont think any of us want to lose this site (or the fleetops site for that matter) over an EULA that may not even be supported anymore because of some court issue - not in a day and age where, as Icewolf pointed out, you can get sued for hanging a wreath outside and McDonalds can be sued for selling hot coffee because some idiot managed to burn themselves spilling it (despite common sense saying coffee is hot. I cant recall whether or not it was a successful lawsuit, but certainly, the case did go to court).

[S618-18741]

I agree with HighGuardKnight on this, like I said before I'd prefer the admins don't take a chance with legal issues but anyway does anybody know why the FO mod is still not hosted? I thought they changed the way they were making it vista compatable so the dll didn't have to be modified. So basically it went back to the way it was before?

[Knight-2000]

Originally Posted by S618-18741

I thought they changed the way they were making it vista compatable so the dll didn't have to be modified. So basically it went back to the way it was before?

I think that applies to the unofficial 1.2.2 patch.
And from my understanding, our FF administrators (meaning Joel, Freyr etc) are waiting to hear back from their higher ups about whether they can host it again, now the questionable part has been removed....

if anyone wants to correct me, feel free to do so