Removal of Fleet Operations mod and prohibited upload of the 1.2 game patch

[kel333]

Well said.

[S618-18741]

I agree with the staff on this, I would rather they were sure that there is no legal issue before they re-post it, which I'm sure they will eventually do now as it seems the big breach of the Eula was cleared up (the dll modding). They shouldn't risk legal action being taken against the network because that would likely just lead to a2files being taken down which would be a sore loss. I think we just have to be patient while this gets sorted out.

[DarkEnergy]

1. flops has changed the critizised patch and files. new versions have been handed over to FFA2.
2. you are still investigating the problem, as it seems now in a bigger frame. no answer given what that frame is. it cant be the orignal files as they have been modified.
3. this threat has become a general discussion if modding breaks the eula. well: yes, it does. maddog and others would be chasing your a**es if u would do that for commercial reasons. until now they havend reacted on this little page or others and us little game enhencers.

before all that that starts to become personal between the teams - and i already smell quite some tension in here: why not put the mods up for dl again "under supervision" untill you can say IF the new files are incorrect too. wouldnt that be a way?

yours truly.

[Major A Payne]

Agreed amoebia. If Maddoc or activision really have a problem with it shouldnt' it be them who has the final say if something should or should not be present on the site??

[Freyr]

Originally Posted by Atlantis

I stand by the FleetOps team here, and disagree with FileFront's decision. The reason why people are making such a big deal out of it totally escapes me.

This is somewhat hypocritical. You are possibly making more of a "big deal" out of it than we are. I think everybody knows what we are doing at the moment, our position and the current situation has been stated in this thread so many times that Cecil suggested locking it to save us repeating ourselves.

Modding is itself a breach of the EULA, and FleetOps' products are just an extension of the modding techniques. If there was to be legal action against modding, it would've already happened, and it would affect EVERY public-release mod.

That would depend on your interpretation of the license agreement. Of course, you can interpret anything to mean anything, but having worked in a legal practice for the past five years I tend to disagree with the interpretation that says you can't change anything, and I believe FileFront takes the same view. Of course, this is simply an opinion from someone slightly more conversant in the law than most, rather than a judge who would ultimately decide what the license means.

You do realise that words such as "Romulan", "Klingon", "Starfleet", and canon ship designs, are all copyrighted? Any mod product which uses words or designs like that, is in breach of copyright. Not just of Armada 2, but Paramount's own copyright of Star Trek (those two words being copyrighted too)...

I don't appreciate your tone. I am sure that you have heard the term "FAIR USE" before. It is a provision of copyright law that allows the use of copyrighted materials under certain conditions. I suggest that you might want to avoid the use of such inflammatory language as its likely to lead to people getting upset. That doesn't benefit anybody.



@ Amobia, I don't see anything personal about what we have done, let alone the start of a Vendetta. We are acting as Filefront staff doing the job we have been doing for quite a long while. As previously stated we have been directed to take this stance. We are discussing this with the staff senior to us, when we have concluded this discussion we will inform you of the decision.

This has been said on many occasions in this thread already. You may have noticed Joel is getting rather annoyed with people bringing it up now. He's getting fed up with repeating himself when anybody reading through the thread knows exactly whats happening, and to be honest I am starting to get irritated by it. When we started as FF Staff we signed Non Disclosure Agreements. We are simply not allowed to discuss private communications we have in our capacity as FileFront staff. That is why they are called PRIVATE.

[kel333]

I, personally, apologize to the staff if I've added to the pressure on them. I have nothing but respect for Jolt, SSA and Freyr, 3 of the most senior members of this community.

I'm sorry you guys feel like you're under attack. May I suggest that you have nothing to defend against? I don't think anyone's upset, or angry with you guys; you're just following the rules, and we understand that.

If the purpose of this thread is to rant, then that's just what ppl are doing. For the most part, it doesn't seem, to me, that anyone's blaming the staff, just voicing their opinions.

I know we all will be happy to abide by whatever decision is made. We just wanna whine about it a little.

[Freyr]

Thats ok Kell, The reason we left this thread open was so that people could express their opinions on the subject.

Your right, we don't have to defend ourselves. We could just sit back and say we are above it or lock the thread. Personally though I dislike admins that abuse their powers for no good reason and I am quite happy sitting here fielding points that people raise that are worth raising as long as everybody is being treated with the respect they deserve.

[Major A Payne]

Freyr. If both yourself and Joel are getting annoyed by the continued usage of this thread for a perticular reason then you need to close the thread. I was under the impression that, that was what this thread was here for in the first place. To discuss the removal of the mod, and seeing as its down to a legal issue, then you can't get annoyed for other members attempting to define it in the way that they see fit. If you dont' want this side of the coin to be discussed then you need to close the thread ASAP, before anything gets out of hand. Also remember you only have so much patience.

Just some friendly advice.

[cecilzero1]

Originally Posted by Major A Payne

Freyr. If both yourself and Joel are getting annoyed by the continued usage of this thread for a perticular reason then you need to close the thread. I was under the impression that, that was what this thread was here for in the first place. To discuss the removal of the mod, and seeing as its down to a legal issue, then you can't get annoyed for other members attempting to define it in the way that they see fit. If you dont' want this side of the coin to be discussed then you need to close the thread ASAP, before anything gets out of hand. Also remember you only have so much patience.

Just some friendly advice.

i agree with Major and remember u are the Admins u interpert the rules and if u do lock it and someone trys opening a new thread thats what delete button is for :P

[The Joelteon7]

Ok, new rule for this thread.

People can say anything they wish (so long as it is within the rules of the forums) BUT, the staff will no longer reply here. It is merely for you guys to talk about it, nothing more, nothing less. Say that our decision was the worst one you've seen or praise us, we will not mind. We will only look in here and view it as it is, add nothing more to it.

Locking it or deleting it acheives nothing. We want you to talk about it; hence me creating this thread as I knew people would want to talk about it.

The only action we will take is deleting spam messages (which in the context of this thread, is repeating what has already been said) and nothing more. No-one needs to personally reply to this with an acknowledgement, just carry on having read this and bear it in mind.

Honestly, I'm up for a good debate and I like the fact that we have an argument here. You might think me crazy for that, but I really do. Shows we have a community, one that believes fervently in the quality and content of the game and its supported materials. I'd rather that then make an article, have some in a thread go "Booo, u sux" and that be it as that shows we're losing our touch.

As always and as my promise to the community, which I've tried to uphold since I became Site Admin, I will do my very best to support every project that is going on, be it low key or the most known and downloaded. Even if there are restrictions, I will do my damndest. That will not change so long as I'm still in position. The only thing I ask of you is to accept that I/we have to make sure everything is in check.

Anyhow, that's enough of my rant