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Insertname May 2nd, 2006 11:48 AM

Star trek: Armada 3?? (Mod)
 
Well, I'm only 15 and won't be through college for another 8-10 years but I eventually hope to make an Armada 3. I know this seems ridiculous as armada seems to have died at number 2 but by then the new generation won't know a thing anyway. There seems to be so much dedicated modding I'm surprised they haven't resurrected it yet. Anyway, for now I want to try set up a mailing list(which I do not know how to do) about a possible story for armada 3 because, to be frank, the first two sucked. So 8 years of idea exchange and story purification should result in a beautiful story. On top of that we could dig up more Star Trek like ships to put in the 3rd one instead of making up ships for a strategy game's sake. I know the federation has a frigate(from the series, not Mad Doc's "Aegian class") so making one up was unnecessary. Also, the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance and as such shared the D7 frigate design. The romulans also had a bird-of-prey which never featured. I also hope to introduce multiplayer recruitable heroes and proper to-scale ships and stations. Docking( garrisoning to RTS fans) would be nice too. Just general exchange of ideas, really.

[Sonic]uk May 2nd, 2006 12:29 PM

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Its good to have goals/ambitions in life, however, (hoping I dont destroy your dream) have you heard of two little things called "Legacy" and "Tactical Assault" ????, in some ways they are the doctor who of A2 (its new regeneration), but if you have a dream/goal, I say go for it, and be preapred to take feedback ..........

USS Helena May 2nd, 2006 02:14 PM

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Just dont overdo yourself lol

KevinJ87 May 2nd, 2006 04:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insertname
The romulans also had a bird-of-prey which never featured.

do you mean in the game ?


sounds like a great idea/goal i almost went to collage to become a graphic arts designer and make video game.. but makeing a fictional guy wield a weapon of some kind was not my calling...... weilding one of my own is...

good luck kto you

Cylon May 3rd, 2006 11:33 AM

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legacy will be more like sfc3 than A2

Flash525 May 4th, 2006 12:54 AM

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:ditto:

However, should still be a wicked game ;)

USS Helena May 4th, 2006 08:22 AM

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yea, still would be nice to have a change :D

The Star Treker May 7th, 2006 04:20 PM

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There is no need to make Star Trek Armada 3 because Star Trek Legacy is Armada 3 in a way. It will be like between Star Trek Armada 2 and Star Trek Starfleet Command 3. Mad Doc is making Star Trek Legacy and it will be release this September for the Xbox 360 and PC. My dream was making Star Trek Online because I thought of a MMORPG for Star Trek when I was playing Everquest that when I got the idea from but they already started it. I thought of it before they started working on Star Trek Online but I won't get the credit for it.

kel333 May 14th, 2006 04:26 AM

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Hmmm. I had ideas about an online game based on the Marvel universe in the year prior to Everquest being released, but I can't be sure my ideas weren't spawned by something I might have heard (and not remembered) about its development.

It IS worth mentioning that (while they were very basic) my ideas had much of the same general functionality of many of the MMORPGs.

Still, I like to think I came up with it on my own.

Anyway, if you want to make something, don't let anything stop you. The magic of creation is that whatever you make belongs to you. Pure and totally.

Insertname May 14th, 2006 05:02 AM

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The point of me ever making it would be to make a proper armada. But legacy is an RPG and I want a proper star trek RTS. I still want to make games though.

The Star Treker May 14th, 2006 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insertname
The point of me ever making it would be to make a proper armada. But legacy is an RPG and I want a proper star trek RTS. I still want to make games though.

Dude, Star Trek Legacy is not a RPG, it is a strategy game like Armada 1 & 2. Star Trek Online is the RPG not Legacy. Get your facts right.

Here are facts for Star Trek Legacy I red.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Original reported by Pro-G - Prodigious Gaming

New Star Trek game in the works

US magazine Game Informer has revealed that a new Star Trek game is currently in development on PC and Xbox 360.

Titled Star Trek: Legacy, the new game is in development at Mad Doc Software and is scheduled for release by Bethesda Game Studios in September 2006. Said to be an action/strategy game, Star Trek: Legacy will span all shows with a single player campaign split into three time periods: Enterprise, The Original Series, and The Next Generation (which includes Deep Space Nine and Voyager).

The campaign is said to be based around an ancient species called the Iconions, first encountered by Picard in the Star Trek The Next Generation episode "Contagion." You begin the campaign in command of the Enterprise NX-01 and as you progress through the game you will earn command points which can be used to upgrade or purchase new ships. Eventually you'll be in command of up to four units, each unit comprising of one capital ship and two smaller ships. The game will also feature multiplayer support for up to eight players on PC and Xbox Live where you'll be able to take command of Federation, Klingon, Borg and Romulan vessels.

One of the key elements is the way in which ships are treated in the game. "We treat the ships as your characters. When a ship dies, that's a big thing in Star Trek. It only happens a few times in the whole 700-plus hours of the whole Star Trek cannon where you see the Enterprise get destroyed. It's a big thing and it should mean something," said Mad Doc CEO Ian Lane Davis in an interview with Game Informer.


Insertname May 26th, 2006 08:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Star Treker
Dude, Star Trek Legacy is not a RPG, it is a strategy game like Armada 1 & 2. Star Trek Online is the RPG not Legacy. Get your facts right.

Here are facts for Star Trek Legacy I red.

The first hit I got for star trek legacy on Google made it seem like an RPG. I have no way of telling if this is an official site with your so-called "facts" or not but this made it out to be entirely online.

http://tkhasi.betterbox.net/

It mentions you choosing your surroundings and where you grow up. Doesn't sound very strategy-like to me

Dominion_Leader May 26th, 2006 10:56 AM

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Go to www.ditl.org

This is a star trek site. It has lists of the ships, races, weaponry, etc.

The Star Treker May 26th, 2006 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insertname
The first hit I got for star trek legacy on Google made it seem like an RPG. I have no way of telling if this is an official site with your so-called "facts" or not but this made it out to be entirely online.

http://tkhasi.betterbox.net/

It mentions you choosing your surroundings and where you grow up. Doesn't sound very strategy-like to me

Lol, that ain't Star Trek Legacy and that is not the official site neither. Here is the official site.

STARTREK.BETHSOFT.COM


It's ain't a RPG, it is a strategy game. I know more about the game than you think, I'm not making this up. Also here is the very first trailer to give you more the view of the game.

Star Trek Legacy - First Trailer

hard_damage May 29th, 2006 08:22 AM

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Legacy is going to be awesome. Unless it crashes every 5 minutes, or something :-)

The Star Treker May 29th, 2006 09:57 AM

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I have a big feeling that Star Trek Armada 2 will fully die after Star Trek Legacy is released this September. Also In 2007, I can't when Star Trek Online is released. :D :cool:

Cylon May 29th, 2006 12:12 PM

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it wont die completly if legacy is not modable or harder to mod than armada 2 then armada will live on

AdmarilRyan May 29th, 2006 12:29 PM

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Legacy is going to be little like a2 I think. From what I have seen the only time a2 has being mentioned offically it said something like they have learn't from a2 an important lesson that ships should not be destroyed very often. (as ships have high mortality rates in a2)

dinosaurJR May 31st, 2006 03:59 PM

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It seems to me that Legacy is gonna incorporate elements from both genres:

Some strategy from A2 AND some RPG elements from the SFC series. Kinda like warcraft3 (in my opinion). Sure youve got the large scale battles and the control of multiple units but youve also got the main character advancement aspects that are seen in pretty much all RPGs (and the SFC series for that matter).

Also, @ The Star Trekker:

do you honestly believe that A2 modding is gonna die after Legacy's release?
I think not dude, I think not...

The Star Treker May 31st, 2006 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinosaurJR
It seems to me that Legacy is gonna incorporate elements from both genres:

Some strategy from A2 AND some RPG elements from the SFC series. Kinda like warcraft3 (in my opinion). Sure youve got the large scale battles and the control of multiple units but youve also got the main character advancement aspects that are seen in pretty much all RPGs (and the SFC series for that matter).

Also, @ The Star Trekker:

do you honestly believe that A2 modding is gonna die after Legacy's release?
I think not dude, I think not...

It will be a real-time strategy game. When you are playing you will start playing in tactical mode and you will be able switch to the strategic mode like Armada 2. In tactical mode, you will be able move your ship the way you want it to move and shoot weapons like SFC3 and BC but you will be able to control fleets of starships like Armada 2. You will be able to make your ships warp to any location quicker in strategic mode. That does not sound like a RPG to me. It sounds more like a real-time strategy and a ship to ship combat battle game to me. It won't have no RPG elements. Go check out the official site that I linked in my earlier post to give you the full info.

Here are 2 video clips of the game that I saw besides the trailer.
E3 2006 Star Trek: Legacy Preview

Star Trek Legacy - Hi-Res Game Play Video

This game looks darn good and looks like major fun. This is why I think Armada 2 will completely die after 6 years like Armada 1 did. It looks like Armada 2 is dying and it is getting really boring now anyways. Only few of my clan members that are left playing Armada 2 and including me. The else of them gone to play other games like Guild Wars or FFXI or SFC3.

kel333 June 1st, 2006 02:14 AM

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It won't die as long as we keep moding. Any new games will take a long time to add all the mods A2 has. As it stands, A2 still has much room for improvement. It's only recently that new avenues for it have appeared.

Majestic-MSFC June 2nd, 2006 11:51 PM

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Armada 2 won't die, there are people still modding Armada 1 for god shake. I am not at all impressed with Legacy, they should of make a new Armada in my opinion. I think they are trying to cram to many different genres into the one game. I have been a fan of Star Trek and its gaming for years and years and I have looked forward to each of their games, except Legacy. Legacy may be a nice diversion for a while, but most of the Armada community will be sticking with Armada after the dust settles I believe.

I pefer the style of the Armada games, EAW was a major let down as they were trying to put too much into the one game, hell there were patches before the game was even launched. I can see this happening to Legacy in one form or another, ie not as succcessful as the game producers are hoping for.

Also Star Trekker don't let your emotions get in the way, you may be really excited about Legacy, which is fine by us all, but just because you are doesn't mean everyone here is, there will be some that leave modding Armada for Legacy, while others won't touch the game and many will be playing and modding both if Legacy is moddable.

So no matter how successful or non-successful Legacy is Armada 1 and 2 will have have the large fan base that it still has today. JUst look at some of the mods being produced at this current time, Zero Hour, Future Tense, Stargate Project, Battlestar Armada, Parallels and the list goes on. Armada modding is far from dead and won't be dying for many years to come.

The Joelteon7 June 3rd, 2006 04:21 AM

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Actually, Majest, your hopes for an A3 technically are closer then ever - think about it with MAD DOC onboard the Bethesda team, let's be honest, better game publishers then Activision, there's hope that if Legacy does well, the chance for an A3 could occur, especially if many fans ask about.

So, in short, it may be worth getting excited about LGY anyhow.

The Star Treker June 3rd, 2006 10:31 AM

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Legacy is really worth getting I can feel it in my bones. Playing or modding Armada 2 for 6 years is getting boring. Armada 2 will died maybe not when Legacy is released, so what. :p:D

Majestic-MSFC June 3rd, 2006 04:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joelteon7
Actually, Majest, your hopes for an A3 technically are closer then ever - think about it with MAD DOC onboard the Bethesda team, let's be honest, better game publishers then Activision, there's hope that if Legacy does well, the chance for an A3 could occur, especially if many fans ask about.

So, in short, it may be worth getting excited about LGY anyhow.

Thanks for the info Joelteon7. I sure hope they bring out a new Armada (plain RTS game) after Legacy. Legacy to me feels like a new SFC to be honest except you can command like 5 ships instead of one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Star Treker
Armada 2 will died maybe not when Legacy is released, so what. :p:D

Thats a little rude. So your saying that once Legacy is out the Armada community can just die for all you care? Thats a bit selfish and a way to not make friends.

The Star Treker June 3rd, 2006 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majest
Thanks for the info Joelteon7. I sure hope they bring out a new Armada (plain RTS game) after Legacy. Legacy to me feels like a new SFC to be honest except you can command like 5 ships instead of one.



Thats a little rude. So your saying that once Legacy is out the Armada community can just die for all you care? Thats a bit selfish and a way to not make friends.

I wasn't trying be rude or anything. I am just staying that Armada 2 won't be popular forever. You should give Legacy a chance. I been waiting for a new Star Trek game a long time. I still like Armada 2 but need a break from it and I want to try out a new Star Trek game. Armada 2 is like a routine to me now. If they are going to make Armada 3 after Legacy that be awesome. For right now, I just can't wait when Legacy and Online are released. If I am able to connected a Nintendo DS to the Nintendo Wii (they should kept it as Nintendo Revolution) that is released this November, I might go buy Tactical Assault. Heldhand games are too hard for me to play because I have to play the controls sideways.

I am sorry if I was being rude. It's just shocking that Armada 2 lasted this long that is cool. :)

Posts merged for ya - J7

Majestic-MSFC June 3rd, 2006 10:22 PM

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No worries. Armada 2 will last for a lot longer I believe, but Legacy will give us a new game to play and talk about. I just hope it has a long campaign and a good storyline behind it.

But if Armada 3 never happens at least if Syf, Zered, myself and others can get it together, then Red Ash will be the next big fully moddable space RTS game.

But I do hope there is an Armada 3 someday in the near future.

Insertname June 4th, 2006 06:54 AM

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Honestly they didn't put enough OOMPH! into Armada 2, as I said at the beginning of the thread. I remember in Armada the ships could fight it out the way they do in Star Trek winning a battle with a well-planned strategy or the careful use of a special weapon. That died in A2. What happened to the Defiant being a kick-ass experimental ship?

BTW what other Genres are in Legacy other than RTS?

The Joelteon7 June 4th, 2006 07:26 AM

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Expected other genres:

-Simulation
-Squad Fighter/Control
-RTS
-Tactical decision making (RTS, but more tactics, less resources etc.)

Insertname June 11th, 2006 05:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joelteon7
Expected other genres:

-Simulation
-Squad Fighter/Control
-RTS
-Tactical decision making (RTS, but more tactics, less resources etc.)

That sounds like the Armada 3 I envisioned with my friends on long, boring, rainy days. Except I wanted to be able to control boarding teams(FPS like)
and your own individual flagship(bridge commander)

Flash525 June 11th, 2006 06:18 AM

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That would be anything like an Armada III. it's a completely different game :)

ColdDarkParanoia June 12th, 2006 04:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joelteon7
Actually, Majest, your hopes for an A3 technically are closer then ever - think about it with MAD DOC onboard the Bethesda team, let's be honest, better game publishers then Activision, there's hope that if Legacy does well, the chance for an A3 could occur, especially if many fans ask about.

So, in short, it may be worth getting excited about LGY anyhow.

very ture but they still cancelled that stargate game even tho there was massive interest and it had gone past beta testing, they cancelled it somthing like 3 mounths befored releasing it!, there was a masive pertition and nothing happened, so lets hope :D

Major A Payne June 12th, 2006 11:51 AM

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Actually. Contrary to what people believe Legacy is actually a Tactical Space Combat game (similair to SFC3 and BC). It is not an RTS game which Armada 1/2 is.

Also why are people surprised that Armada is still being modded?? Total Annihilation is around 10 years old and theres still people that are modding for it.

dinosaurJR June 13th, 2006 01:16 PM

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WOW, i LOVE total annihilation! i havent played that game in years!

i wonder if its possible to convert over the airborne units to A2?

(checks in the very back of cd rack, with FX fighter and the dust bunnies)

sorry, that was a little off topic:)

Flash525 June 15th, 2006 09:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinosaurJR
sorry, that was a little off topic:)

It mentioned A2, I'll let you off ;)

Sherman2 June 15th, 2006 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Well, I'm only 15 and won't be through college for another 8-10 years but I eventually hope to make an Armada 3. I know this seems ridiculous as armada seems to have died at number 2 but by then the new generation won't know a thing anyway. There seems to be so much dedicated modding I'm surprised they haven't resurrected it yet. Anyway, for now I want to try set up a mailing list(which I do not know how to do) about a possible story for armada 3 because, to be frank, the first two sucked. So 8 years of idea exchange and story purification should result in a beautiful story. On top of that we could dig up more Star Trek like ships to put in the 3rd one instead of making up ships for a strategy game's sake. I know the federation has a frigate(from the series, not Mad Doc's "Aegian class") so making one up was unnecessary. Also, the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance and as such shared the D7 frigate design. The romulans also had a bird-of-prey which never featured. I also hope to introduce multiplayer recruitable heroes and proper to-scale ships and stations. Docking( garrisoning to RTS fans) would be nice too. Just general exchange of ideas, really.
This game could be revived like a Snap of a finger if need be theres more than enough people playing online still and people can always be summoned back, i remember a while back i tried to undertake making A3, it failed like a fish trying to fly to the moon lol. but with a modding team anything is possible yes, i might just come back to A2 modding for this.

Quote:

i wonder if its possible to convert over the airborne units to A2?
find someone who can mod a game that has the aircraft you want in it and have then contact someone who does conversion(will probably be me meh).
they can work together and convert them, yes it is possible.

Insertname June 16th, 2006 10:16 AM

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People would either have to give out personal details or spent lengthy amounts of time downloading each others files....

syros October 11th, 2006 04:10 AM

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By the way, the http://tkhasi.betterbox.net/ link that was posted earlier is for a Star Trek MUSH named Star Trek Legacy. The MUSH opened roughly 3 years ago or so.

werdborg October 11th, 2006 07:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Insertname (Post 2826551)
Well, I'm only 15 and won't be through college for another 8-10 years but I eventually hope to make an Armada 3. I know this seems ridiculous as armada seems to have died at number 2 but by then the new generation won't know a thing anyway. There seems to be so much dedicated modding I'm surprised they haven't resurrected it yet. Anyway, for now I want to try set up a mailing list(which I do not know how to do) about a possible story for armada 3 because, to be frank, the first two sucked. So 8 years of idea exchange and story purification should result in a beautiful story. On top of that we could dig up more Star Trek like ships to put in the 3rd one instead of making up ships for a strategy game's sake. I know the federation has a frigate(from the series, not Mad Doc's "Aegian class") so making one up was unnecessary. Also, the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance and as such shared the D7 frigate design. The romulans also had a bird-of-prey which never featured. I also hope to introduce multiplayer recruitable heroes and proper to-scale ships and stations. Docking( garrisoning to RTS fans) would be nice too. Just general exchange of ideas, really.

All I can say is that get a team together to reduce workload and do it cuz I tink it needs to be done:bows:

Flash525 October 11th, 2006 07:56 AM

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Woah... Is nobody reading the dates? This was posted back in May, and not posted in (excluding today) since June... Three Months have passed, this isn't going anywhere :uhoh:

Stark98 October 13th, 2006 08:35 AM

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yeha it is but im back spamm... eum i mean posting in it.. But i think, that because bethesda has made 3 games that we need to wait a year.. if those
3 games are going to sell good then bethesda is going to made a new game and who knows a sequel to this?

Flash525 October 13th, 2006 08:50 AM

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I doubt we'll get an Armada III, but we may get another RTS game, we'll see all in good time though. :)

werdborg October 15th, 2006 02:28 PM

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The problem I see with the Armada series is that i both the Borg are 1 of the main bad guys and the stories to me seemed abit repetetive, I would have liked to see them explore a different time period maybe 23rd century because it gets away from the borg who in my opinion are easy kills once you identify their attack strategy. Another thing I hated was in A2 when the AI Players on instant action launched fleets,they did so all at the same time every 4 or 5 minutes. If there was going to be an A3 or an RTS i would like them to address the issue that I have said because it would make the game far more interesting when the AI players become cunning tacticians rather than idiots who lauch 1 massive fleet that gets chopped to bits in about 30 seconds by the borg,they could at least run patrols,scout the enemy locations and use Hit and Run tactics on larger more powerful opponents. In my most recent game I killed about 400 borg cubes with the loss of 54 ships,most of which were destroyers while my allies lost 1450 ships mostly batteships to kill only 150 cubes(tactical cubes no fusions). You can see why I'm annoyed with A2 now

Aflac October 17th, 2006 10:07 PM

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Ah, hello.

First: Let's calm down. No one wants anyone, ah, dead.

Second: I have a great suggestion for A3 storyline. Talk about a futuristic timeline with Captain Demming as the main character and maybe Admiral Picard?

Aflac October 31st, 2006 06:04 PM

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Bring in the 25th century ships!

Ivegottheskill January 4th, 2007 03:16 AM

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A political story, involving the president of the UFP and possibly a coup/collapse/assasination to get the story going.

Bureaucracy, wars and overextension of Federation borders leads to disatisfaction with members of the Federation, some consider leaving in the wake of heavy Borg and Dominion aggression and the incurred deaths of their people in these conflicts.

Picard is promoted to Admiral at last (or maybe just retires as captain), with the handing over of the Enterprise (E or F?) to a new captain (Riker or even Worf or maybe someone new). Starfleet appoints Picard to take over as temporary UFP president after the assasination and the story involves restoring order to the Federation. With lack of control/federation enforcement, factionalisation takes hold, permitting the Dominion/Cardassians to begin rebuilding a threatening fleet. While supressing these breakouts, a major threat to the Federation is revealed from within

I'd like to include the race seen in the season 1 TNG episode 'Conspiracy'
http://www.jammersreviews.com/tng-1/...php#conspiracy

Which involved malevolent symbiote creatures infiltrating Starfleets highest positions. The episode was set up for a sequel as the review (see link above) points out, but there never was one. Maybe a whole fleet for this race could be invented for the game?

I'd love to see an Armada 3, I was kind of disappointed when I saw what Legacy turned out to be (Bridge Commander with better graphics but less control and gameplay)

Datarock January 4th, 2007 06:11 AM

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Bump, :cort:


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